DOMestic Bdsm and Female Domination

Hello,

Darryl (nuked_potatoes) wrote:

>There is no such thing

Nuked, if you took a shovel and a bottle of whisky with you into
the garden. If you then started digging, taking a sip every once
in a while. If you climbed into the hole and kept digging and
sipping until the bottle was empty.

The result is that you would be drunk and tired at the bottom of
the hole with an empty bottle.

Would you conclude that because you had found no gold, silver,
or other precious metal during your dig, that precious metals
don't exist?

Would you then fall asleep, and when you woke up, realise that
all those precious metals do exist, because you've seen or heard
tell of them?

Then would you realise you must have been looking in the wrong
place and that going prospecting with a shovel and a bottle of
whisky in your back garden was not the best plan?

sincerely,
David

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Nuked....

I am sorry for you. Sorry that you have not found what you are
looking for.

But I have to tell you..... I am a female dominant. I have
dominated men and women. So if I exist, then other female
dominants exist. It's as plain as your nose on your face.

Princess
Female Dominant in California

Darryl (nuked_potatoes) wrote:

>no woman came into life like this, even if she wants to be she
>cannot. Even if you want her to be she cannot. You can have her
>fuck You up the ass and she may like it but it is not what she
>needs or wants. -snip- it will never be her passion

I have not met every woman or joined every group but in a
lifetime of such limited experience I agree with Darryl. I have
loved a number of women who because of their love for me tried
to be what I needed. It never worked. I don't blame or find any
fault with them, the need being my problem.

I believe the situation is totally a male creation. I don't
believe a woman exists who from the age of 3 was obsessed with
thoughts of totally dominating a male, disciplining him, making
him dress and act as her maid, and servicing her male lovers,
plus many other things too numerous to mention.

I could go on and on as could any other male submissive but
there is no point. Women just don't naturally think that way and
they shouldn't, and neither should men.

And to me the interesting question is why? Why isn't there one
bolt to fit a million nuts? Why does it seem that women don't
naturally obsess in an opposite manner from us? Where is their
need to dominate to match our need to submit?

I am old, and I always thought it would go away, but the
feelings I did not understand at three years old are just at
strong today. I now realize they are me and will never go away.
Everything I know or read indicates women do not have the same
feelings. It is all male generated.

And I am not saying that domineering women do not exist. I hope
you understand that is an entirely different creature. That is
the way I feel but after Darryl opened this up I would love to
see you flooded with letters from women who say I am wrong.

What bothers me most are submissive men who bitch and complain
about women because they can't find a mistress. Those men should
look in the mirror and take Pogo's advice,"We have met the enemy
and he is US."

I wholeheartedly agree with David on the subject.

No I did not dream of sissyfication from an early age. I did
always feel a sense of "I want one" when I saw a cross-dresser.
I felt the need to tease and humiliate men.

I noticed, before I found kink, that most men found me to be too
dominant both in and out of bed.

Once I found kink, I met submissive men and felt at ease
finally, at least a lot more. I could give up trying not to be
dominant, I accepted that as what I was. One of the features I
did find a lot were the do-me sub that wanted me to be the
dominant of their dreams, without even considering becoming the
submissive of my dreams. Thus, IMO, still trying to rule the
relationship, whilst being served their fantasies. At the same
time they then do not feel dominated (duh!) and blame the
dominant for that.

Topping from the bottom like that has resulted more than once in
me not getting past the point of a nice chat with such men. Not
all submissives are like that, but I have met one too many like
it to discard it as a one-off.

I did find myself a true submissive man and I am not saying I
will not indulge my boy in his fantasies. I will and I do listen
to what he wants and likes and give it to him as a reward for
good behaviour. His aim is to make me happy and so what I like,
to please me.

Fortunately we are extremely kink compatible so there is no real
issue. He is lucky that he gets what he likes because I happen
to like the same thing. That is except for flogging which I like
to do on occasion and he is not a fan of. Too bad for him, I
still flog him when I want to.

So men whom cannot find a dominant should consider their own
actions in the process. Stop telling the woman in your life what
you want and start listening to what she wants.

MissE

Sadly, an old phrase whose author I don't recall comes to mind,
"whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're
right." This is one of those occasions.

I and the many dominant women I know will neither cease to exist
nor pound down doors to prove ourselves.

Darryl (and anyone else who shares your opinion)
I wish you well.

MsLynn

Moving away from particular kinks and roles.

I think a lot of frustrated 'sub' men I know really just want to
be with a lover who is as dominant with them as a vanilla man is
with a vanilla woman.

Which many people see as quite kinky!

For me it is all about mutuality. And I am very up front about
that in relationships. I have met many women who find this
liberating.

But they have to be dominant according to who they are.
Not some male fantasy.

Darryl (nuked_potatoes) wrote:

>There is no such thing as a dominant female. I have to say it
>because it is how it is for me. There is no woman that does
>not want what she dreams and that is a man to care for her.
>There is nothing we can do about being a man, it is what it
>is. I ask myself who am i talking to? And of course it is
>myself.

Hmmm, is this the same nuked that I have chatted with for the
past several years? I do believe that I am a dominant woman, who
desires to do many wonderfully wicked things to men (and have
done them as well and enjoyed *e-v-e-r-y* minute while I was
doing it. Dominant women do exist, they just aren't hanging on a
"Dominant Female purchasing Tree" for you to just walk up and
pluck us away to the house.

>I want to tell the men though, there is no such woman that can
>release you from being a man. We must do our best with what we
>have and be proud as a man.

And why would I want to? I like men. I like men who choose to
submit to me. I don't look for, nor will I tolerate, a man who
feels as though he has to be "made" to submit. I don't tolerate
rebellious submissives either. I want my submissive partner to
reach his full potential in life not only with me as my partner,
but in all aspects of his life - work, leisure time, fatherhood,
everything.

>Forever i have looked for this woman and only in a drunken
>stupor can i find anything close.

Then maybe you might want to re-evaluate what it is you are
looking for. It's easy to say "I want a dominant woman." But it
is extremely difficult to say "I want a dominant female who is
into cross dressing, forced masturbation, who shackles me to the
bed at night and makes me sleep on the floor at her feet, and
will make me eat 'cum pops' every night." The more you know
about yourself, and about what it is that you want from a
relationship, the easier it makes it on finding what you want.

>It is because no woman came into life like this, even if she
>wants to be she cannot. Even if you want her to be she cannot.
>You can have her fuck You up the ass and she may like it but
>it is not what she needs or wants. It is the real truth of the
>matter we must be men and it is ok if you are gay or something
>like that for your woman. But you will never have a dominant
>woman they don't exist without a man. Women who were hurt or
>misled will argue with me for a brief moment but the truth is
>a woman wants a man.

Hell yeah I want a man. However, a man is NOT what makes me who
I am. I AM a dominant female, I have spent *way* too many years
kissing frogs to find my prince, and I'm still kissing the
frogs. I didn't wake up one morning and think to myself, "Oh,
gee, I think I'm going to go find me a punk to turn into my
bitch." My mother was ruler in my household growing up. Dad did
not argue with her, he did not berate her, she did not argue
with him or berate him either. Mom never mistreated my father,
yet she worked outside the home, while dad stayed home and
raised my brother and myself, he cooked and cleaned the house,
and did everything a good little houseboy did. My mother taught
me by example to become the dominant woman I am. This is not
kink for me, it is a lifestyle, and one I am pleased with and
wouldn't have any other way for my life.

>But a dominant woman can only achieve that if she has a man.
>There is nothing you can do about it, if you are a lesser man
>she may be content and grateful. But it will never be her
>passion. So there is no point in any of it really.

LOL. No point? Oh, there is a point honey. What would the point
be to simply fall in love? Love. What is the point of having
sex? feeling good, endorphines, release. What is the point in
having children? To truly know unconditional love, pride, joy,
contentment, peace. What is the point of working? That one's
easy - To have money to afford various things.

So what is the point of pursuing a D/s relationship? To find
that one (or more) special person(s) to find peace, contentment,
security, partnership, love, and whatever emotions/feelings one
seeks from a relationship. However, I do not *need* a man to
make me dominant, I AM dominant. I only need a man in my life to
involve myself in the few kink activities that I do enjoy, and
even then I don't *need* - I simply *want* him there.

Sincerely,
Saber

Miss Stress

"Vocabulary enables us to interpret and to express. If you have
a limited vocabulary, you will also have a limited vision and a
limited future." - Jim Rohn

David.

Your response was excellent. I agreed with every word.

Hello Ms Christine And david,

I thought of the same thing when David wrote:

>The result is that you would be drunk and tired at the bottom of
>the hole with an empty bottle.

>Would you conclude that because you had found no gold, silver,
>or other precious metal during your dig, that precious metals
>don't exist?

I thought... exactly! i spend all my money on Women and Whiskey!
and the rest i waste :-) i tease and smile Ms Christine and
David of course :-)

i wrote that post in earnest (and i can't find Ms Tiger's email
i am so lame still...) However drunken stupor or not... (~wink~
to Ms Christine) I don't think kink (Dominant Women definition
should be discussed here) is really fair for most Women.

Even professional Dommes are in great need to be accepted, it is
not what they want or love, they are hard about love because
they were hurt. They claim power but it is not their true love,
like any of us..... and like all men they need to love. So again
i say there is no such thing as a dominant woman.

nuked_potatoes a.k.a darryl

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Imagination is more important than knowledge - Einstein

Hello Nuked Potatoes / Darryl ,

you wrote:

>exactly!

Yes, but you only quoted two paragraphs from my reply to you,
and you missed out the most important points....

I (David) wrote:-

"all those precious metals do exist, because you've seen or
heard tell of them" - snip- "you must have been looking in the
wrong place"

you (nuked) wrote:

>i wrote that post in earnest (and i can't find Ms Tiger's email
>i am so lame still...) However drunken stupor or not

Are you lame Nuked? Or drunk in charge of a keyboard again?

I'm not aware of a "Ms Tiger" in the context of this discussion.
I imagine you are referring to Saber aka Miss Stress who has
replied to you several times recently, see the links here:-

http://u4ds.com/2009/02/dominant_woman_only_in_a_drunk.shtml#c006201

http://u4ds.com/2009/01/femdom_seeking_male.shtml#c006110

http://u4ds.com/2009/03/fantasy_is_fun.shtml#c006185

Of course if it's a tiger you a looking for, you can see some
pics here:-

http://www.google.com/search?q=Saber+toothed+tiger

But that kind of Saber is now extinct. ;-)

To email a real Saber (aka Miss Stress), I suggest you take a
look at the page you posted a message to Ms Saber on, as the
email is given at least twice on her ad at:-

http://u4ds.com/2009/01/femdom_seeking_male.shtml

you (nuked) wrote:

>I don't think kink (Dominant Women definition should be
>discussed here) is really fair for most Women.

That's a different subject entirely Nuked. Probably two
different subjects. Why don't you start different and more
sensible threads? Perhaps they could be entitled:-

"Is kink really fair for most Women?"

"Dominant Women definition needed"

you (nuked) wrote:

>Even professional Dommes are in great need to be accepted

Professional Dommes is yet another subject. And I suggest that
you could open another thread again to discuss your broad and it
seems to me rather silly generalisation as follows:-

you (nuked) wrote:

>it is not what they want or love, they are hard about love
>because they were hurt. They claim power but it is not their
>true love,

Surely you don't contend that those statements apply to all
"professional Dommes"? I'm sure there must be quite a few who
are neither "hard about love" or "were hurt".

Are you perhaps discussing one or two people you have met and
are generalising that those experiences apply to everybody?

>like any of us..... and like all men they need to love.

I don't see why you feel that love and domination/submission are
mutually exclusive. Surely the reading of DOMestic over the last
13 years has taught you that for many (if not most) of us here
it is all about loving domination and submission.

I'm sure there are some professional Dommes out there who both
love their work and who give loving domination to their clients.
Just as there are some who do not.

>So again i say there is no such thing as a dominant woman.

And that statement is demonstrably wrong, and just plain
silliness. If you were not such a long term reader of DOMestic
we would have dismissed your remark that there is "no such thing
as a dominant woman" as just flame bait.

Women obviously come in many types. Some of those types include
three or four of those that you are perhaps getting a bit
confused about. Kinky women, dominant women, and dominant kinky
women. There are lots of other types, and obviously there are
women who are neither dominant nor kinky,

Which type are you looking for? Kinky? Dominant? And yes there
are even dominantly kinky women and kinkily dominant women out
there.

If you read some of the replies to your message here at:-

http://u4ds.com/2009/02/dominant_woman_only_in_a_drunk.shtml

you will see that a few dominant women have already disagreed
with your statement that there is "no such thing as a dominant
woman" .

sincerely,
David at Ms-Christine.com

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Is kink really fair for most Women?

MsLynn wrote:

>I and the many dominant women I know will neither cease to
>exist nor pound down doors to prove ourselves.

Hello Ms Lynn,

What a cop out pfft :-) I do not ask you to prove a dominant
Woman exists. I say there are none. A true Woman seeks love just
like any man.

Kink is a man thing probably brought on by the way he was raised
and of course having strong women around him.

This is not topping from the bottom or anything else of Elise
Sutton bs... not all is bs of course. Many women find their
verification by thinking they are dominant, and it is not true.

nuked potatoes

Hello,

nuked potatoes wrote:

>I do not ask you to prove a dominant Woman exists. I say there
>are none.

By saying such a thing you are just giving the impression that
you are a person who is completely ignorant. The world has
always had substantial numbers of dominant women. Study your
history books for famous examples.

You also assert that:-

>Kink is a man thing probably brought on by the way he was raised
>and of course having strong women around him.

And those strong women you mention, what are they Nuked? Are
they dominant women?

As to your suggestion that "Kink is a man thing" - that is also
complete poppycock.

There are kinky women and kinky men. The source of their kink is
by no means proven but you'll find some links to resources in
this post which may help you to understand more. Even in men it
is not limited only to those "men having strong women around"
them.

There is a lot of research available to you, and off hand I
don't know the precise statistics on the amount or proportion of
men and women. My own experience should not be taken as a
statistically relevant sample. But when meeting kinky folk I've
often found that the submissives are the kinkiest partners in a
couple.

I've met some submissive and very kinky women, and in the
submissive women I've met spanking and bondage seems to be quite
prevalent. Some of the kinky women I've met have been switches.
Some were lovers of administering punishment and not always keen
on taking it themselves when submitting.

I've met kinky women living with straight men, which tends to
give the lie to your idea that women only do it to please their
man.

I've obviously met lots of dominant women who also liked to
administer discipline to their men. Some of those women have
told me quite frankly which aspects of kink they like, and which
they don't. It's quite common for women to enjoy thrashing a
chap they love and are married to.

I've not encountered a female fetishist, so I tend to think that
aspect of kink is more of a "man thing" - but I have no doubt
that there are female fetishists out there, and see this link
for further discussion on the gender of fetishists:-

Sexual fetishism - Gender

It also says on that page that:-

"Sexual fetishism, or erotic fetishism, is the sexual attraction
to objects or body parts not conventionally viewed as being
sexual in nature."

which I think is a somewhat limited but useful definition.

To understand the differences and variety in kinks, if the
access to 13 years of DOMestic has not been enough to enlighten
you, then try reading the literature suggested on the Wikipedia
page for kink at:-

References and further reading.

On the Wikipedia page I mention above it also says:-

"Kink is a term used to refer to a broad range of sexual
practices (sometimes referred to as kinky), including spanking,
bondage, dominance and submission, sadomasochism (BDSM) and
sexual fetishism. Kink sexual practices transgress what are
considered "normal" sexual boundaries as a means of heightening
the intimacy between sexual partners. Some draw a distinction
between "kink" and "fetishism", defining the former as enhancing
partner intimacy, and the latter as replacing it."

>Many women find their verification by thinking they are
>dominant, and it is not true.

That is another silly generalisation Nuked. When you generalise
like that you are going to be wrong at least half the time.
Sometimes it is true, sometimes it isn't.

I suggest you get out more, perhaps go to a library instead of
the bar and there you could get an education in a place where
you might at the same time meet new people.

It is best not to waste your time by posting rude or ignorant
assertions which have no basis in fact. Feel free to express
your opinions or ask questions in a more sensible and respectful
way.

sincerely,
Christine at Ms-Christine.com

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Dominant Women definition

MsLynn wrote:

>I and the many dominant women I know will neither cease to
>exist nor pound down doors to prove ourselves.

I would have to agree. It is completely immaterial whether or
not someone believes I am dominant or anyone at all is dominant -
least of all, someone who drinks to convince himself.

Madam

"Darryl" nuked potatoes wrote:

>"Kink is a man thing probably brought on by the way he was
>raised and of course having strong women around him."

Define Kink, please. Because I strongly disagree based upon my
definition of kink, so I'd like to know yours. You can give
examples if you want.

Saber

Initially I was somewhat irritated by Mr Potatoes ludicrous
sweeping generalisations; a person who has been with us for many
years seemed to have become a troll. However, he has caused such
a wonderful wave of invective and opinion from intelligent and
articulate dominant Women that I say... Carry on nuked!

pussikat steve

nuked potatoes wrote:

>I don't think kink (Dominant Women definition should be
>discussed here) is really fair for most Women

It depends nuked. Personally I find fisting a boy or paddling
him with my nice mahogany wooden paddle with its carved out
holes *e-x-t-r-e-m-e-l-y* arousing for me. Isn't that kink? How
is it not fair to me if this is something I enjoy?

>Even professional Dommes are in great need to be accepted

How so? In what ways do they need acceptance? Are you speaking
legally, or as in being accepted by their peers? Give me a
little more

>it is not what they want or love

And _you_ know this to be fact *how*?

>they are hard about love because they were hurt

Again... And _you_ know this to be fact *how*?

>They claim power but it is not their true love, like any of
>us..... and like all men they need to love. So again i say
>there is no such thing as a dominant woman

nuked, you have a way of looking at life in the manner that
comes across to me of "well, if I can't find someone who meets
all of my personal criteria in order for this person to be
'dominant' then they just don't exist". Which is such a crock of
crap. Because once again I disagree with you that there "is no
such thing as a dominant woman."

Saber
AKA Miss Stress

"Vocabulary enables us to interpret and to express. If you have
a limited vocabulary, you will also have a limited vision and a
limited future." - Jim Rohn

Hello all,

I am only briefly able to read Domestic as I recently started a
new project, and my days are filled with work and sleep. I am
grateful for all who shared and will respond when I have enough
time. Ms Sabre - approx 2 weeks my next time off. i can answer
one question with another however. What is Kink? to that I'd ask
what is normal?

nuked potatoes

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Immortality is my short-term goal.
Is infinity odd or even?

Ok, I read all of this drivel Darryl spouted on this and "Is
Kink Really Fair.....", with disdainful amusement.

Time for some facts to clear the air, (note this comes from
someone with nearly 30 years actual, real life lifestyle
experience), are you ready?

Some men and women are naturally submissive.

Some men and women are naturally dominant.

Some men and women are naturally switches, (able to switch
between being dominant and/or submissive), with different or the
same partners.

Some men and women are neither in the context of a relationship
and have no interest in it.

The one thing Darryl did get right is the fact that a
"Matriarchal society" is sheer fantasy. Neither gender is
inherently "superior" to the other. It's the individual's
experience, interest, personality, and other factors that
determine if they are dominant, submissive, a switch, and if
they will act upon such tendencies and seek out a like minded
partner. I myself do not automatically fall to my knees in the
presence of any woman other than my Wife, dominant or not. I
submit to my Wife only, and the rest of the world can go
wandering around bothering themselves for all I care.

Everything else he posted was utter ignorant nonsense.

>"But it is true I do not believe Women were ever to be
>Dominant in a sexual way. Women are nurturing, mothers sisters
>and daughters. Dominance on a Woman's part is the respect she
>commands by being her true self not some pervy idea a Man comes
>up with."

Darryl, does your narrow minded view of sexuality and women take
into account dominant and submissive lesbians? From your
comments you relegate women to being sexless creatures meant
only to nurture and be "brood mares". How quaintly Victorian! Do
you also feel that women have no interest in sex and are
incapable of orgasms, much as the Victorians believed? How much
actual experience do you have with women, (outside of your
Mother, sisters, cousins, co-workers and the like), to base such
illogical and spurious comments on?

I have known, (and had the honor, pleasure and privilege of
serving), many dominant women in my lifetime and am currently
very happily married to a very dominant, strict, exacting and
most importantly, very loving woman. She was dominant and
experienced in the lifestyle before we met, just as I was
submissive and experienced in it as well, so neither of us had
to "change" the other one into something we weren't.

I don't know what you're seeking in a woman, or what dominant
qualities you want to project onto them, but I can see why
you're having zero success in finding the right woman for you. I
don't think she exists, except in your fantasies, and thus you
can make such poorly thought out sweeping comments as you have.
Either that, or you are so terrified of finding someone that can
actually dominate you, and thus discovering your true nature,
that you deliberately set the bar for them so artificially high
that nobody can reach it.

What a load of poorly thought out and ridiculous comments you
made Darryl, but then the past few years of being here, I've
read much from you that pointed to this ultimate unravelling of
your idealogical thoughts and beliefs. The signs were there,
just not as out in the open.

Miss Stress - Saber wrote:

>Define Kink, please. Because I strongly disagree based upon my
>definition of kink, so I'd like to know yours. You can give
>examples if you want. 

Erotic is tickling your partner with a feather.....
Kinky is using the whole chicken...

Sorry, couldn't resist :)

shywon

Hello,

nuked potatoes wrote:

>i can answer one question with another however. What is Kink?
>to that I'd ask what is normal?

Nuked, I suggest you read DOMestic properly before replying in
future. You are just wasting everyone's time.

Your answer "what is normal?" is not only a waste of time but an
insult to everyone who has replied to you. Have the courtesy to
read and answer the questions.

You completely missed and/or deliberately evaded the points
raised. So it seems to be you who is copping out.

Nobody here was asking you "what is kink". I've already offered
you a definition at:-

http://u4ds.com/2009/02/dominant_woman_only_in_a_drunk.shtml#c006218

We were asking you what _you_ define as kink? Nobody but you can
answer that question, as it is only about you.

Now you have asked yourself another question which you can also
be the only one to answer. What do you define as normal?

I've already offered my definition of normal at:-

http://u4ds.com/2009/03/is_kink_really_fair_for_most_w.shtml

What do you define as kink that you think is unfair to most
women?

We can't discuss your sweeping generalisations that some things
exist, and others don't exist, until you define what you mean by
your words.

You will be just wasting your time and ours until you can answer
the questions about your definitions including the question
David asked at:-

http://u4ds.com/2009/03/dominant_woman_definition.shtml

Where David wrote:

"A dominant woman has actual control of the BDSM
context/relationship, exercising authority or power over a
submissive"

And where David asked:

Do you accept that definition of a "Dominant Woman"?
If not, would you like to give us your definition?

sincerely,
Christine at Ms-Christine.com

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Mark wrote:

>"The one thing Darryl did get right is the fact that a
>"Matriarchal society" is sheer fantasy."

No, I think he got that wrong too.

Mark wrote:

>"Neither gender is inherently "superior" to the other."

I would agree with you on that one, however, it is a separate
issue from a matriarchy being sheer fantasy.

Further Mark wrote:

>"Everything else he posted was utter ignorant nonsense."

I would agree with you if you remove the word "else".

Mark then wrote:

>"The signs were there, just not as out in the open."

Are you new here? While many have eventually ignored him, Darryl
has been very up front and out in the open with his needs for
two dimensional women who are unable to object to his
manipulations. Whenever he posts, I get an image of an oft naked
man typing away fervently with a somewhat stained, yet well
used, portrait of Wonder Woman sitting next to his monitor.

I could be wrong. It could just as well be Catwoman.

Hello Ms Christine,

I do promise a proper response to all. I have only quickly
skimmed thru DOMestic posts. As i mentioned in my last post I am
truly working 14 hours plus a day right now in the field. Namely
northern Alberta's oilsands.

My last post was only to acknowledge those who responded. I will
be back to elaborate on my views. I do have a quick comment on
one post. Perhaps i read it too quickly. It seemed to suggest
that womanhood and child-bearing were not the most divine gift
of Women, that it was somehow lesser. A very strange perception
to me, as i see it as the holy grail. I digress i am off to
sleep after day 18.

Barring the multitude of actual life things that i must arrange
when i get a day off. Like renewing my car registration, a trip
to the dentist, yadda yadda yadda, I will be grateful to re-
enter this discussion.

Until then, and as ever loyal,

nuked potatoes

shy won wrote:

>Erotic is tickling your partner with a feather..... Kinky is
>using the whole chicken...

LOL. That was cute shy won. I like the way you spelled shy won
too.

nuked potatoes wrote:

>I am only briefly able to read DOMestic as I recently started
>a new project, and my days are filled with work and sleep.

Understandable, Real Life should take precedence over Virtual
Life. I look forward to your reply.

>i can answer one question with another however. What is Kink?
>to that I'd ask what is normal?

That's easy. Merriam-Webster dictionary defines normal here: "normal"

Now, Since this conversation is dealing with what is fair and
not fair to women, as well as what is or isn't kink. Normal in
this instance would follow through with definition:-

2 a: according with, constituting, or not deviating from a norm,
rule, or principle b: conforming to a type, standard, or regular
pattern

Now I also looked up kink with the following result: "Kink"

Definitions in relation to this conversation are:-

2 a: a mental or physical peculiarity : eccentricity , quirk b:
whim

6: unconventional sexual taste or behavior

And Kinky returned the following: "Kinky"

2. relating to, having, or appealing to unconventional tastes
especially in sex ; also : sexually deviant

Now, I am female. I am dominant. I personally like anal sex
where I am the recipient from time to time. So therefore,
according to my 'vanilla' friends I am 'kinky' or 'into kink'.
According to a few other FemDoms I know, I do not fall into the
'norm' with that behavior even in the BDSM world, so I am an
abnormality in that respect as well.

So, *IF* I enjoy this activity, and it is *normal* for me to
engage in it, even though others view it as 'kinky', how would
it be unfair to me as a female? Answer that.

Saber
AKA Miss Stress

"Vocabulary enables us to interpret and to express. If you have
a limited vocabulary, you will also have a limited vision and a
limited future."-Jim Rohn

Dear Ms. Christine,

It is good to see more activity on this list but I personally
find the thread from "nuked potatoes" tiring. He should be
happy to be on such a wonderful list and be more respectful
since this is a Fem Dom group. Maybe nuked should explore a
different sexual arena. I am certainly not in the mood to
correct him or pay attention to him.

Regards,
MaitresseX

Hello

i am back where do i begin? about there are no Dominant Women?
First i say Hello To Miss Saber She is perfect And Miss
Henrietta all the men must melt like me. And To David You of
Course are correct i ruffle feathers. There are no Dominant
Women because there cannot be without men and all Women know.

i think it's from my mom i learned it spank me cry and wail it
is what it is... men take care for Women and Women take care for
men

The True Dominant Woman thinks who is this shit?

I say you need help... if a man loves You he does not for Your
love for being his dom. He is in love because of this life just
like You...

as a subby guy i can say it is just love not kink i am
interested in, and i will say and live ok we try it Your way :-)
not all women are so clever and there is no dominant woman

maybe just one :-)

nuked potatoes

Hello,

I was tempted to not bother to include another rambling message
from "nuked", as he doesn't answer anybody or add anything new.
But as he's almost the only person bothering to post to DOMestic
at the moment, I'll include his post and answer it.

On 2 Apr 2009 nuked_potatoes previously wrote:

>promise a proper response to all -snip- to elaborate on my views.

In your latest I don't see a proper response from you to anyone,
let alone "all", and any elaboration you have included doesn't
add anything worthy of inclusion in a rational discussion.

nuked_potatoes wrote:

>i am back where do i begin?

Try the beginning. Nuked, I suggest you go to:-

dominant woman - only in a drunken stupor

and:-

Is kink really fair for most Women

and:-

Dominant Women definition

Follow all the links there. Read all the posts, answer all the
questions people have directly asked you.

A tip for you, while reading, whenever you see a "?" it means
it's a question which usually means your interlocutor expects a
response from you.

When you have compiled a sensible answer to every question folk
have asked you, paste them all into one message.

When you are prepared to take us seriously, then we'll take you
more seriously. Until then, your posts are a waste of time.

nuked_potatoes wrote:

>no Dominant Women because there cannot be without men

Logical conclusions you can make from your own statement are
therefore obvious:-

a. Men exist

so

b. There can be Dominant Women

But, beyond that, Duh! - If men didn't exist at all, Dominant
Women could still exist. Think about it nuked. No men around, so
who would the Dominant Women still be able to dominate?

I couldn't find anything else in your post worthy of comment.

sincerely,
Christine

The Fem Dom Training Software.
Advises on how best to train your husband/lover.
http://www.mschristine.com/program.shtml

In praise of Dominant Women - totally their inferior in UK

A personal real-life update. There are dominant females!

cuckolding, the Woman desires a Man

Hello To David,

In your valid point, in reference to my observation "that there
is no such thing as a Dominant Woman", you used the analogy
David:-

That it was like taking a bottle of whiskey into my back yard
and digging for gold and not finding any after my bottle of
whiskey was gone, and then declaring there is no such thing as
gold.

That is clever and condescending. Which is not to say it is
undeserved from my posts of the past.

What i was referring to and what i believe, is that it is not
natural for a woman to be capable of, or turned on by,
humiliating men. Something happened to their dream, that is not
to say it is always a bad thing. However a Woman, i believe,
desires that same thing we all do, to feel needed and loved.

That feeling of power to control someone who commits and is
dedicated has made men hunt and gather to care for Women and
their family, through the ages.

In speaking of a femdom led relationship, an ideal male slave is
a Man, adjusted of course to the Woman in question.

The greatest gift my Father ever taught me was the fact; That i
take care of myself and by doing that i can take care of others.
That is a man's gift.

i'll write more on the subject, i am home now but i work like a
dog always trapped in some north american conditioning to be a
consumer, and i owe many responses.

humbly Yours
nuked_potatoes

Hello Darryl / nuked,

I'm glad that you now accept that there are "Dominant Women" and
I didn't mean to be condescending with my analogy, it was just
my attempt at humour. It is often easier to communicate a point
with a simple analogy, and humour often sweetens the pill.

I don't think you've said anything new in your latest post. I
think many of us had already understood your point that you
don't consider sado/masochism in Female Dominants to be natural
and that you consider the natural male/female roles to be
derived from the times when humans were all hunter gatherers.

The fact is that human society is no longer organised in
prehistoric ways. Things have moved on, for better or worse. But
I've no doubt that many view the desire to dominate and submit
to be both natural and derived in no small part from our animal
nature.

The idea that for women to enjoy sadism, means that "something
happened to their dream", may be true for a minority. But it
does not mean that it is true for all. I've known many women who
take pleasure in humiliating men, and I've no reason to believe
that "something happened to their dream". For many, finding a
male who likes to be humiliated is their dream come true.

Personally, I don't care whether my sexual sado masochistic
pleasure is viewed by others to be natural or not. It is quite
simply the way I am, and feels very pleasurable when I indulge
my sexual masochism.

Analogy mode on:- I don't think it's natural for humans to
travel at speeds in excess of a hundred miles an hour. But I
don't deny that many humans of both sexes get a lot of pleasure
from it.

sincerely,
David at Ms-Christine.com

You can read my own (now very old) article "why" at
http://www.mschristine.com/why.shtml

Hi Ms Christine and David,

Thank You for the time on Your reply and as always wish You well
and happiness :-)

Love this story on Jim. (Jim's Story link)

I'm like many men, who work ourselves to death, what else is
there? Men take care of people. I am grateful to be a man.

It is not a judgemental thing when i talk of it as it concerns
female dominance, and i of course wish every happiness in
whatever form any two people enjoy together. Natural or not,
indeed, what does it matter?

It is divine When a Woman will take this role in true life and i
count myself among the many men that would gladly give it up.
Still as a man it is wonderful to support and serve a Woman. It,
to me, is a conditioning of our education, programming, what
have you...

As always i am working, it is my life. i enjoy the writers,
enjoy the concept and enjoy the list.

Again i am pressed for time and very tired, under pressure. I
dream to just let go... but i can't, i take care of people and i
am grateful that i have that gift of being a man

nuked_potatoes