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posted by: "Christine" at u4ds.com / MsChristine.com
posted on: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:47:59 +0100

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In The Bank Manager's Cupboard - by Ms. Christine
Copyright 1986-2009 Christine and David Stevenson
http://www.mschristine.com/bank.shtml

Part Twenty-three

Laying on his back, David saw Karin lower her panties
and sit on the seat above him. This was a most unusual
perspective from which to look at a woman. So
impersonal. He was able to look upon her sex above him,
which was in itself exciting. Yet he had the knowledge
that the genitalia he was focused upon were about to
deliver such profound humiliation.

"Get a good look wanker," she ordered, "makes you want
to sniff my knickers and toss off I'll bet!"

David lay obediently silent. But he had to acknowledge
that it was an arousing sight, something that made him
feel ashamed of himself, given what she intended.

She ordered, "You may now beg my forgiveness."

As soon as David started to utter his first plea a
seemingly unending stream of urine spattered and
splashed over his face. He attempted to burble his
entreaties, and beg her mercy. Karin laughed, as this
only resulted in further humiliation, by causing him to
choke on the bitter tasting fluid he could not avoid
swallowing. She wiped herself with tissue, and dropped
it on his face. Closing the lid she warned, "I hope my
breakfast is satisfactory, or there will be trouble."

Through the perspex sides he was aware of her adjusting
her stockings as she stood over him before moving to
the wash basin. Then she swished from the room. It was
only seven in the morning, and Karin had degraded and
humiliated David beyond anything he could have thought
possible. He was securely strapped up, restrained and
locked into place as her toilet. She had called him a
toilet pervert, and had pissed on his face. Then she
just walked out as if this was the most normal thing in
the world to do to a person. He was left to suffer the
degradation of feeling that to her, he was nothing more
that a receptacle for her urine.

Could he possibly sink any lower? He pondered this
question as he lay with the back of his head immersed
in the still warm fluid. With the lid down the smell
was intensified. His senses were surrounded by her
waste. The taste in his throat, the wetness on his
face, his hair soaked, the smell in his nostrils. His
existence had been reduced to that of a toilet. Yet
somehow this made her seem more like a queen, she was
so superior to him in every way.

Karin took a leisurely breakfast, totally satisfied
with her weekend. She was overjoyed with the way her
week was beginning too. Pissing on a man was something
she had long wanted to do. She was glad now that she
had ordered the perspex toilet from that company in
Australia. Karin was feeling ready for anything,
nothing could stop her now she mused as she made her
way back upstairs. The take over bid she was working on
this week would go well. The confidence she now felt,
would virtually guarantee it.

David watched through the see through sides and top of
his enclosure, as Karin clicked on her stiletto heels
in and out of the bathroom in various states of dress.
As she applied her make up and completed her toilette,
she totally ignored him. As a person he had ceased to
exist. When he saw her leave the bathroom fully
dressed, he wondered if she was planning to leave him
there all day. By ten that morning, Karin had closed
several deals on the telephone, and was ready to leave
for her meeting.

She couldn't resist another session in the bathroom.
The 'high' it gave her was exalting, a power trip for
sure. She strode into her bathroom, her heels clicking
purposefully on the tiled floor. Standing astride his
chest, she pulled up the skirt of her business suit,
slowly and deliberately exposing to David the erotic
sight of her black lingerie and seamed stockings.

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C: Devotional Dating - TFTB for real female control
Date: 20 Apr 2009 03:43:25 -0000
From: MichaelK

In Re: C: Devotional Sex, john henry wrote:

>always wanted to be a Knight as expressed in this site and
>would like to know if anyone has any practical knowledge

John (and others),

I have found that the best way to find a Princess is via normal
dating.

Devotional Sex does not need the woman to be dominant, and
Devotional Sex allows the Knight to make lots of suggestions
(seen as Topping from the Bottom in traditional BDSM). So your
first Devotional Date will be very different from a slave having
a session with a Mistress.

What has worked very well for me is to arrange a date in the
normal way, and then, if there seems to be some mutual
chemistry, to tell my date something about Devotional Sex during
our first or second date before we have done anything sexual.

This first talk has sometimes been near the end of our
conversation over dinner, sometimes during a long walk, and
sometimes only started when we go back to my place and she
accepts my offer of giving her a foot massage.

Of course you only tell your date what she seems interested to
hear, and you tell her more as it feels appropriate to do so. If
she is interested she will ask many questions, and so it can be
an easy and fun first conversation.

Telling your date that the man not ejaculating comes from an
ancient Eastern tradition is much less confronting than saying
it is a BDSM practice. And telling her that you will do whatever
she says is best done without mentioning BDSM or FemDom. (If she
mentions this you just say that the control aspect is a mild
version of a BDSM Mistress.)

Before I started Devotional Sex most dates did not end up with
sex. So, not surprisingly, when I include a mention of
Devotional Sex when dating, most dates still do not end up with
any sexual activity.

What happens when you tell a "normal" date that because of your
practice of Devotional Sex you will not cum that night, that you
will do whatever she says, that there is no slippery slope so
that one thing need not lead on to another, and that, if she
wants to go that far, you can even go to bed together and you
will give her oral sex without anything else happening?

I have found that many women love the idea of first sexual
activity not being the usual everything must happen.

They love the idea of being able to relax with some intimacy (eg
a foot massage) without feeling that this is expected to lead to
full sex a short time later.

If not mentioned beforehand, during a first foot massage I tell
my date that Devotional Sex is the most fun when we both feel
that her power is real, and a good way to establish this right
at the beginning is for one person to partly or fully undress. I
say that if she chooses to take something off her power is made
real because I am not allowed to touch unless she says so, and
of course I would feel very much that she had power over me if
she asked me to be undressed as I continue with her foot
massage. I usually also say that we can enjoy spending time
together with just one of us undressed without things going any
further.

Sometimes a both fully dressed foot massage is as far as things
go, but more often my date has me undress. Most common is that
my date wants me to keep my underpants on.

Sometimes things then go no further than some kissing and
cuddling in the living room.

During the foot massage I always let my date know that one
option for later is to go to bed with me having to keep my
underpants on all the time we are in bed. I add that this bed
can just be for a cuddle, but that I really love to give oral
sex, and that I am very happy to give her oral without getting
anything in return.

And this is what happens in quite a few dates :-)

My date had not heard of Devotional Sex a few hours ago, but now
she is very much feeling like a Princess. And having enjoyed
giving her oral sex, and knowing that this is as far as things
go, I very much feel like her Knight.

As I said before, most dates don't lead to anything.

My feeling is that for every woman who might have been
interested in me but was put off by my mentioning Devotional Sex
there were more women who would not have done anything if they
thought that starting something would lead to conventional sex,
but liked the idea of Devotional Sex and so something happened
when otherwise nothing would have.

Using Devotional Sex in dating means that it will probably be
many dates before you go as far as intercourse.

As most first (and second) dates do not lead to a medium term
relationship, most Devotional Dating never gets as far as
intercourse.

But I find that Devotional Sex is so much fun and so much more
erotic and satisfying than conventional sex that missing out on
intercourse (until I find a longer term partner) is an
acceptable cost of Devotional Dating.

A written version of the sort of things I would tell a first
date is on my site here:-

Devotional Dating

This consists of a very mild "can we talk about sex?" page,
followed by an "Outline of Devotional Sex" page, and finally a
"How do we put this into practice" page.

Of course no date gets told all of this. And what is said comes
out bit by bit over the evening. And of course what and how
things are said needs to match your dates interest.

This is very much Topping from the Bottom as almost everything
that happens will be suggested by the Knight.

Having established a mutual feeling that what happens is totally
up to your date, it is often necessary to suggest things several
times. The first mention plants the seed of possibility, the
second or third mentions may lead to action.

For example, when you first mention the idea of one person
undressing for the foot massage, not many women will take this
up straight away. But if after ten or so minutes of further foot
massage you mention that you would find it fun and sexy to be
undressed, would she like you to do this now, you might find
that given the second mention she now says yes. If she says not
yet, just add that she only needs to say "Undress" and you are
committed to obeying her.

Devotional Dating is very real female control because absolutely
nothing happens unless your date wants it to happen. A big part
of the excitement for a Knight is that you never know how far
things will go and which path she will choose.

This has all worked for me many times.

I hope this long post is useful to others and at least some of
you share my success.

Cheers,
Michael

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C: Dominant Female having no luck
From: Yvonne King
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:32:03 -0500

I am a 57 year old Dominant Female who is having no luck finding
a submissive male-play toy-companion to spend time with. I live
in a large metropolitan area in Texas. I am a large woman (5'7
288 pounds) Black professional who is self-sufficient and
looking for someone else who is self-sufficient.

I have found that older men, in the 40 plus age range are
looking for Dommes from 5 to 20 years younger than they are or
married men looking to cheat on their wives. Obviously neither
of these categories work.

I am looking on web sites, private parties, meet and greets. I
find males who are surprised/resentful that I have a job, house,
and car or is a selfish bottom faking the desire to submit. I
know some men won't be interested in me because I am overweight.
Fine, I have lived with that for a while. I am wondering what is
wrong.

Before you get on me about being out of shape, please note that
I go to parties with Dommes who are out of shape and still have
subs. Point 2 - I am working on it (to date having lost 50
pounds) and dealing with a hostage taking treadmill at the local
gym successfully. I never want to be tiny.. a size 14 will work
for me...as I have leather outfits in mind that I want.

I would appreciate helpful suggestions. Haters keep your
thoughts to yourself. I am open to private emails.

vonneb2@hotmail.com

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Re: C: ManTran - Ball ring
Date: 22 Apr 2009 22:50:03 -0000
From: shoekisser

Jess wrote:

>ManTran I could not find a link or any other info

I originally wanted to use Mantran dot com, until I was informed
by David that it had been taken.

Out of curiosity, I contacted the owner for permission to use it
in the story. The reply said I could purchase it for only $1400.

I decided .org would work.

Like Christine said, the story is fiction.

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P: new stable - orgasm denial
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:48:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Victoria Markham

Having recently returned to the country I am now in a position
to accept new serfs for online training. Previous submissives
will know the satisfaction that can be achieved by my methods
which are very discrete. I am a 30 year old British dominatrix
who knows how to give orders and to make you feel worthless.

Serving me is an honour, it costs nothing. Just email me. My
speciality is orgasm denial so if you would like your pleasure
to only be allowed when I say so then a polite email is your
next step.

Mistress Victoria

victoriatrix7@yahoo.co.uk

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S: The Hot Day : Fantasy
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:06:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Victoria Markham

The Hot Day : Fantasy

Mark shifted the powerful saloon into 3rd and easily overtook
the slower traffic as it toiled up the hill, he enjoyed driving
the long distances his work took him and with a few good cds and
on such a wonderful day who would want to be behind a desk?

The English countryside flashed past in all its glory and he
pulled the visor down to block the sun from his eyes. Thirty and
single with a good job, he had no problem with women, but no one
special. He had resisted opening the magazines in his briefcase
which he had bought on the outskirts of the city. Keep them for
tonight in the hotel, he thought.

He was a good driver and noted in the long layby ahead a flash
of yellow and blue. He slowed as he got closer, very tasty, he
thought. The yellow was the tee shirt of Tamsin Rogers and the
blue was her short pleated blue skirt, he slowed the car and
Tamsin eagerly waved him down and picked up her bag. Maybe it
would be good to have some company he smiled to himself..

"Hi, want a lift?" smiled Mark.

Tamsin smiled back, "mmmm yes please can you help us with our
bags they are ever so heavy."

Mark hadn't seen Nicola who was sitting in the shade wearing big
dark sunglasses and tight cut off denim shorts, frayed and
faded. "My pleasure," he said as he lifted their camping gear
into his boot.

Tamsin sat in the front and Nicola in the rear. Mark couldn't
believe his luck having two such lookers in his car. Maybe he
would chat them up, who knows. Tamsin was more talkative at
first, blonde with shoulder length hair, while Nicola was dark
and seemed a bit sulky.

Tamsin explained they were returning from a camping trip, both
in their final university year. They chatted amiably for a while
before Tamsin drifted off to sleep, allowing Mark to take in her
long brown legs, her skirt already short folded back slightly
now and again in the breeze from the half open window, and he
felt his cock swelling at the frustration of not quite being
able to see her knickers.

Nicola didn't say much as the car ate up the miles.

They stopped a few miles further on and Mark bought them drinks
in the roadside cafe, the lorry drivers' heads turning to see
the girls. Mark felt proud that he had two beauties in tow.

As he went ahead back to the car he felt sure the girls held
back. They were giggling about something and was it his
imagination or were they more flirty with him when they got back
in?

Tamsin now had her feet on the dashboard, she obviously wanted
him to look at her legs. Nicola lit a cigarette without asking
in the back and passed it to Tamsin. Normally Mark wouldn't have
allowed it but he liked to watch the young blonde blow out the
blue smoke.

Tamsin asked him about his work and Mark explained he was a
civil engineer, so what's in your briefcase said Nicola.

"Oh just work stuff but it's private," he said, it was then that
Nicola clicked open his case...

to be continued

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U: Real Life Femdom
Date: 26 Apr 2009 20:46:26 -0000
From: Jay

Hello fellow femdom companions.

I am in a real life honest to goodness loving femdom marriage
and my Wife and I both LOVE IT. Our relationship has been
drastically evolving over the last few years and I just wanted
to start writing about what my Wife and I consider a "Real Life
Femdom" relationship.

I will discuss real dynamics, real situations, real success and
real failures.

So, if interested please check out my new blog: "Real Life
Femdom". The URL address is:

http://reallifefemdom.blogspot.com

Thanks,

Jay

P.S. Thanks Ms. Christine for all you do.

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Date: 26 Apr 2009 20:46:26 -0000
From: Jay

Hello fellow femdom companions.

I am in a real life honest to goodness loving femdom marriage
and my Wife and I both LOVE IT. Our relationship has been
drastically evolving over the last few years and I just wanted
to start writing about what my Wife and I consider a "Real Life
Femdom" relationship.

I will discuss real dynamics, real situations, real success and
real failures.

So, if interested please check out my new blog: Real Life Femdom.
The URL address is: reallifefemdom.blogspot.com

Thanks,

Jay

P.S. Thanks Ms. Christine for all you do.

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:06:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Victoria Markham

The Hot Day : Fantasy

Mark shifted the powerful saloon into 3rd and easily overtook
the slower traffic as it toiled up the hill, he enjoyed driving
the long distances his work took him and with a few good cds and
on such a wonderful day who would want to be behind a desk?

The English countryside flashed past in all its glory and he
pulled the visor down to block the sun from his eyes. Thirty and
single with a good job, he had no problem with women, but no one
special. He had resisted opening the magazines in his briefcase
which he had bought on the outskirts of the city. Keep them for
tonight in the hotel, he thought.

He was a good driver and noted in the long layby ahead a flash
of yellow and blue. He slowed as he got closer, very tasty, he
thought. The yellow was the tee shirt of Tamsin Rogers and the
blue was her short pleated blue skirt, he slowed the car and
Tamsin eagerly waved him down and picked up her bag. Maybe it
would be good to have some company he smiled to himself..

"Hi, want a lift?" smiled Mark.

Tamsin smiled back, "mmmm yes please can you help us with our
bags they are ever so heavy."

Mark hadn't seen Nicola who was sitting in the shade wearing big
dark sunglasses and tight cut off denim shorts, frayed and
faded. "My pleasure," he said as he lifted their camping gear
into his boot.

Tamsin sat in the front and Nicola in the rear. Mark couldn't
believe his luck having two such lookers in his car. Maybe he
would chat them up, who knows. Tamsin was more talkative at
first, blonde with shoulder length hair, while Nicola was dark
and seemed a bit sulky.

Tamsin explained they were returning from a camping trip, both
in their final university year. They chatted amiably for a while
before Tamsin drifted off to sleep, allowing Mark to take in her
long brown legs, her skirt already short folded back slightly
now and again in the breeze from the half open window, and he
felt his cock swelling at the frustration of not quite being
able to see her knickers.

Nicola didn't say much as the car ate up the miles.

They stopped a few miles further on and Mark bought them drinks
in the roadside cafe, the lorry drivers' heads turning to see
the girls. Mark felt proud that he had two beauties in tow.

As he went ahead back to the car he felt sure the girls held
back. They were giggling about something and was it his
imagination or were they more flirty with him when they got back
in?

Tamsin now had her feet on the dashboard, she obviously wanted
him to look at her legs. Nicola lit a cigarette without asking
in the back and passed it to Tamsin. Normally Mark wouldn't have
allowed it but he liked to watch the young blonde blow out the
blue smoke.

Tamsin asked him about his work and Mark explained he was a
civil engineer, so what's in your briefcase said Nicola.

"Oh just work stuff but it's private," he said, it was then that
Nicola clicked open his case...

to be continued

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:48:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Victoria Markham

Having recently returned to the country I am now in a position
to accept new serfs for online training. Previous submissives
will know the satisfaction that can be achieved by my methods
which are very discrete. I am a 30 year old British dominatrix
who knows how to give orders and to make you feel worthless.

Serving me is an honour, it costs nothing. Just email me. My
speciality is orgasm denial so if you would like your pleasure
to only be allowed when I say so then a polite email is your
next step.

Mistress Victoria
victoriatrix7@yahoo.co.uk
email address info

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From: Yvonne King
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:32:03 -0500

I am a 57 year old Dominant Female who is having no luck finding
a submissive male-play toy-companion to spend time with. I live
in a large metropolitan area in Texas. I am a large woman (5'7
288 pounds) Black professional who is self-sufficient and
looking for someone else who is self-sufficient.

I have found that older men, in the 40 plus age range are
looking for Dommes from 5 to 20 years younger than they are or
married men looking to cheat on their wives. Obviously neither
of these categories work.

I am looking on web sites, private parties, meet and greets. I
find males who are surprised/resentful that I have a job, house,
and car or is a selfish bottom faking the desire to submit. I
know some men won't be interested in me because I am overweight.
Fine, I have lived with that for a while. I am wondering what is
wrong.

Before you get on me about being out of shape, please note that
I go to parties with Dommes who are out of shape and still have
subs. Point 2 - I am working on it (to date having lost 50
pounds) and dealing with a hostage taking treadmill at the local
gym successfully. I never want to be tiny.. a size 14 will work
for me...as I have leather outfits in mind that I want.

I would appreciate helpful suggestions. Haters keep your
thoughts to yourself. I am open to private emails.

vonneb2@hotmail.com

email address info

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Date: 20 Apr 2009 03:43:25 -0000
From: MichaelK

In Re: C: Devotional Sex, john henry wrote:

>always wanted to be a Knight as expressed in this site and
>would like to know if anyone has any practical knowledge

John (and others),

I have found that the best way to find a Princess is via normal
dating.

Devotional Sex does not need the woman to be dominant, and
Devotional Sex allows the Knight to make lots of suggestions
(seen as Topping from the Bottom in traditional BDSM). So your
first Devotional Date will be very different from a slave having
a session with a Mistress.

What has worked very well for me is to arrange a date in the
normal way, and then, if there seems to be some mutual
chemistry, to tell my date something about Devotional Sex during
our first or second date before we have done anything sexual.

This first talk has sometimes been near the end of our
conversation over dinner, sometimes during a long walk, and
sometimes only started when we go back to my place and she
accepts my offer of giving her a foot massage.

Of course you only tell your date what she seems interested to
hear, and you tell her more as it feels appropriate to do so. If
she is interested she will ask many questions, and so it can be
an easy and fun first conversation.

Telling your date that the man not ejaculating comes from an
ancient Eastern tradition is much less confronting than saying
it is a BDSM practice. And telling her that you will do whatever
she says is best done without mentioning BDSM or FemDom. (If she
mentions this you just say that the control aspect is a mild
version of a BDSM Mistress.)

Before I started Devotional Sex most dates did not end up with
sex. So, not surprisingly, when I include a mention of
Devotional Sex when dating, most dates still do not end up with
any sexual activity.

What happens when you tell a "normal" date that because of your
practice of Devotional Sex you will not cum that night, that you
will do whatever she says, that there is no slippery slope so
that one thing need not lead on to another, and that, if she
wants to go that far, you can even go to bed together and you
will give her oral sex without anything else happening?

I have found that many women love the idea of first sexual
activity not being the usual everything must happen.

They love the idea of being able to relax with some intimacy (eg
a foot massage) without feeling that this is expected to lead to
full sex a short time later.

If not mentioned beforehand, during a first foot massage I tell
my date that Devotional Sex is the most fun when we both feel
that her power is real, and a good way to establish this right
at the beginning is for one person to partly or fully undress. I
say that if she chooses to take something off her power is made
real because I am not allowed to touch unless she says so, and
of course I would feel very much that she had power over me if
she asked me to be undressed as I continue with her foot
massage. I usually also say that we can enjoy spending time
together with just one of us undressed without things going any
further.

Sometimes a both fully dressed foot massage is as far as things
go, but more often my date has me undress. Most common is that
my date wants me to keep my underpants on.

Sometimes things then go no further than some kissing and
cuddling in the living room.

During the foot massage I always let my date know that one
option for later is to go to bed with me having to keep my
underpants on all the time we are in bed. I add that this bed
can just be for a cuddle, but that I really love to give oral
sex, and that I am very happy to give her oral without getting
anything in return.

And this is what happens in quite a few dates :-)

My date had not heard of Devotional Sex a few hours ago, but now
she is very much feeling like a Princess. And having enjoyed
giving her oral sex, and knowing that this is as far as things
go, I very much feel like her Knight.

As I said before, most dates don't lead to anything.

My feeling is that for every woman who might have been
interested in me but was put off by my mentioning Devotional Sex
there were more women who would not have done anything if they
thought that starting something would lead to conventional sex,
but liked the idea of Devotional Sex and so something happened
when otherwise nothing would have.

Using Devotional Sex in dating means that it will probably be
many dates before you go as far as intercourse.

As most first (and second) dates do not lead to a medium term
relationship, most Devotional Dating never gets as far as
intercourse.

But I find that Devotional Sex is so much fun and so much more
erotic and satisfying than conventional sex that missing out on
intercourse (until I find a longer term partner) is an
acceptable cost of Devotional Dating.

A written version of the sort of things I would tell a first
date is on my site here:-

Devotional Dating

This consists of a very mild "can we talk about sex?" page,
followed by an "Outline of Devotional Sex" page, and finally a
"How do we put this into practice" page.

Of course no date gets told all of this. And what is said comes
out bit by bit over the evening. And of course what and how
things are said needs to match your dates interest.

This is very much Topping from the Bottom as almost everything
that happens will be suggested by the Knight.

Having established a mutual feeling that what happens is totally
up to your date, it is often necessary to suggest things several
times. The first mention plants the seed of possibility, the
second or third mentions may lead to action.

For example, when you first mention the idea of one person
undressing for the foot massage, not many women will take this
up straight away. But if after ten or so minutes of further foot
massage you mention that you would find it fun and sexy to be
undressed, would she like you to do this now, you might find
that given the second mention she now says yes. If she says not
yet, just add that she only needs to say "Undress" and you are
committed to obeying her.

Devotional Dating is very real female control because absolutely
nothing happens unless your date wants it to happen. A big part
of the excitement for a Knight is that you never know how far
things will go and which path she will choose.

This has all worked for me many times.

I hope this long post is useful to others and at least some of
you share my success.

Cheers,
Michael

http://devotionalsex.com

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# C: new cbt ideas and human clothesline
# Re: C: topping from the bottom - what is it?
# Re: C: Devotional Sex
# Re: C: How to escape Mother-in-law? x 4
# Re: P: dominant wife seeking couples with similar interests x 2
# Re: X: Fictionmania
# S: In The Bank Manager's Cupboard. Part Twenty-two

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C: DS relationship resources
Date: 18 Apr 2009 09:02:48 -0000
From: macK

In "dominant female / submissive male lifestyle" yoniman wrote:

>Interested in how i can be a better submissive

I'm barely learning this DS relationship and I hear that it can
be a beautiful thing between two people? Do you have any
resources on how I can do research to please my Domme that would
impress her? Again I am 101 very new but would love to learn to
please my princess. Could you help?

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Re: C: DS relationship resources
From: "Christine" at u4ds.com
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:11:28 +0100

Hello,

macK wrote:

>Do you have any resources on how I can do research to please
>my Domme that would impress her?

I think just the fact that you have asked the question on
DOMestic is a good start. Hopefully she will be happy with the
idea that you really want to please her.

As to the resource question. You've come to the right place
DOMestic is all about relationships, and DOMestic is the place
to do your research.

If the search box on the front page of the blog doesn't
immediately help you, then I would suggest you ask some
questions here and I've no doubt you will get some helpful
suggestions.

>I am 101 very new but would love to learn to please my
>princess. Could you help?

Yes.

If you tell us a bit more about both of you and your lives it
may give us some clue as to what to suggest to get you started.
For example:- Do you live together? How long have you been
together? Do you both go out to work?

Have you asked your princess what would please her?

sincerely,
Christine

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C: ManTran - Ball ring
Date: 15 Apr 2009 18:36:01 -0000
From: Jess

In Anniversary Surprise, Shoekisser wrote:

>ball ring. This one is high tech, wireless -snip- Any time a
>woman asks about it, I hand her a ManTran business card.

ManTran I could not find a link or any other info. Ball ring -
Where can I get one?

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Re: C: ManTran - Ball ring
From: "Christine" at u4ds.com
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:36:22 +0100

Hello,

In Anniversary Surprise, Shoekisser wrote:

>ball ring. This one is high tech, wireless -snip- Any time a
>woman asks about it, I hand her a ManTran business card.

Jess replied:

>ManTran I could not find a link or any other info.

When Shoekisser sent in his "fictional" story I told him that
the name ManTran.org was a good one and I predicted that folk
would want to click on a link for the organisation.

Of course, ManTran.org was also fiction, and at the time of
writing Shoekisser has not yet registered the domain ManTran.org

Jess asked:

>Ball ring - Where can I get one?

If you are looking for the kind of high tech wireless device
described in the story, you would want to start in the
Electrical Play section in the right hand menu of the DOMestic
blog. There are several sub sections there which may interest
you.

The "Dog Shock Collars" link is about the devices which are most
easily obtained in pet stores and are most like the one described.

You may also want to take a look at "Add-ons for Chastity
Devices" if you want to keep a man locked up and chaste while
zapping him.

sincerely,
Christine at u4ds.com

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C: new cbt ideas and human clothesline
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:49:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Victoria Markham

I have just returned from Africa after several gruelling months
and am trying to catch up with some of my old friends. The
totally humiliated Daniel, who served me as my human clothesline
should get in touch and also Glencam whose message intrigued me.
I am also interested in any new cbt ideas from lady readers.

I think it would be a nice gesture by your male readers if they
were to give some money to the Red Cross (I work for an aid
agency) in gratitude to the female contributors who give of
their time to help them on your site.

Keep up your excellent work Christine and don't give david too
hard a time!

Please publish email as I am happy to be contacted privately if
preferred.

Victoria.
victoriatrix7@yahoo.co.uk

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Re: C: topping from the bottom - what is it?
Date: 10 Apr 2009 02:27:47 -0000
From: Soumis

micheleFFS wrote:

>it hurt so much I asked her to please hit me somewhere else.
>She refused. I tried to endure, but I was beyond my comfort
>zone. I finally said "I'm using my safeword for that spot, not
>the whole scene," -snip- Was I topping from the bottom

Michele,

That doesn't sound like topping from the bottom to me; what you
described was wanting to continue the scene but being physically
unable to continue with that part of it.

I've always considered topping from the bottom to be a matter of
a sub attempting to direct a domme, a kind of passive-aggressive
manipulation where the sub is in effect pretending to submit. He
or she may not even be aware of how they're attempting to hijack
the session. It's far more complicated than just saying, "Please
don't do that, it's too much." Likewise, I can't imagine too
many dommes being amused by it.

Soumis

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Re: C: Devotional Sex
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 03:21:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: john henry

Today I browsed the Devotional Sex site about devotional dating
and devotional relationships.

I realized that I have always wanted to be a Knight as expressed
in this site and would like to know if anyone has any practical
knowledge or desire to explore this with me.

John

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Re: C: How to escape Mother-in-law?
Date: 6 Apr 2009 22:15:53 -0000
From: houseboy43

Daniel Gold wrote:

>she will show my pics to my family and friends too. What
>should i do?

Ummm... are we supposed to pretend that we believe this is a
real problem rather than your fantasy?

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Re: C: How to escape Mother-in-law?
Date: 7 Apr 2009 02:00:37 -0000
From: Grape

Daniel Gold wrote:

>mother-in-law has asked me to dress like a girl for her every
>week or else she will show my pics to my family and friends
>too. What should i do? Are all mother-in-laws like her?

Yeah fella that's pretty much all mother in laws for you. Your
best option is to out yourself on national television in a cute
little school girl outfit, its the only way your life will ever
go back to normal. But don't go to Oprah, she will only make
things worse.

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Re: C: How to escape Mother-in-law?
Date: 7 Apr 2009 18:46:09 -0000
From: Michele

Daniel, this behavior is typical not only of all mothers-in-law
but of sisters-in-law and sisters as well, not to mention aunts
and grandmothers. That's the way we women are, we enjoy nothing
more than dressing up guys and laughing at them. You'll have to
live with it, Daniel. It's useless to try to run, even wearing
sensible shoes.

Oh by the way Daniel's message was e-mailed on April 2nd. Could
it be a slightly belated April fool letter?

Michele

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Re: C: How to escape Mother-in-law?
Date: 8 Apr 2009 14:13:30 -0000
From: stevesatinlover

Daniel Gold wrote:

>Now, mother-in-law has asked me to dress like a girl for her
>every week

This doesn't seem like a problem! Sounds like a dream come true.
She will slowly increase the kinkiness of each session until you
are totally under her spell. If she is experienced in True
Domination, eventually you will wonder how you ever got along
without her.

Finding someone who allows/commands/enjoys your TVism is a
treasure to be loved and obeyed, not viewed as a problem. I wish
I had your "predicament! Care to change places?

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Re: P: dominant wife seeking couples with similar interests
Date: 6 Apr 2009 21:44:24 -0000
From: subiam

surfer slave wrote:

>My Mistress and I also live in NorCal and would like to
>socialize.

My wife and I live in NorCal but have been very private about
our wife-led marriage. Our first foray out into the "community"
together is probably going to be via the Northern California
Ladies' Tea and Discussion Society.

For us, that seems like a good way to get "out" and meet others
with similar interests.

Additionally, you might want to look into some of the newer
social networks that have sprung up that support our alternative
lifestyles. My wife doesn't go on these sites but I'm on FetLife
and FemDommeSociety:

user 144526 on FetLife

subiam on FemDommeSociety

They each seem to serve their purposes and they give you options
to build a network of "friends".

subiam (to Queen-T)

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Re: P: dominant wife seeking couples with similar interests
Date: 9 Apr 2009 07:07:58 -0000
From: Rachel

I tried responding to you directly but I guess it did not work.

I have been in a femdom relationship for the last 10 years with
my husband. We live in the Palo Alto area. If you are
interested, we can meet for lunch at a mall and then decide if
it makes sense to get together with our slave hubbies.

We have not done this before as my hubby is very concerned about
running into someone from business or social circle. I would
love to find 2-3 compatible femdom couples in the area. It will
be good to openly talk with another dominant wife.

I occasionally chat online with other dominant women but all of
them are out of area.

best
Rachel

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Re: X: Fictionmania
From: VickieTern
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:27:56 EDT

Heather Helm wrote:

>I was just wondering the status of Fictionmania

Sorry to be so late answering your inquiry, Heather, but I've
been away with limited access to the Net.

Fictionmania's main functions are now restored and are being
beta tested by the Task Force, and seem to be working fine.
(stories can be readily accessed by those with a special test
URL).

The three main programmers (one of them Mindy, FM's originator,
helping even though terribly busy running her business in these
hard times) want to finish the job and be certain all of the
functions work - such as the multi-search protocol and the
hyperboard - before opening the site to the world again at
fictionmania.tv (new tv domain).

Converting the site from Steve Jobs' discourse to Bill Gates's
has been more problematic and arduous than anyone originally
imagined, but it's nearly done, with program backups to assure
that server failures will never again separate strong men from
their desire to be satisfyingly, humiliatingly feminine.

Vickie

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S: In The Bank Manager's Cupboard. Part Twenty-two
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:39:14 +0100
From: "Christine" at u4ds.com

Previous issues are at:-
http://u4ds.com/stories/meeting_and_seduction/

In The Bank Manager's Cupboard - by Ms. Christine
Copyright 1986-2009 Christine and David Stevenson

Part Twenty-two

He little realised that Karin's video system had the
benefit of such a sensitive microphone, and that she
had left it switched on as she was drifting peacefully
towards sleep. As he whimpered with pleasure, Karin
heard him. It brought her out of her warm reverie and
angrily she switched the light back on, catching him on
tape. He was sniffing at her knickers and abusing
himself. Totally absorbed in lust.

He stopped, shocked, and looked at the wall lens. The
speaker warned, "Yes I am watching you. You disgusting
little pervert. COLD WATER, BED AND BEHAVE YOURSELF
WERE YOUR INSTRUCTIONS. I want no more of this public
toilet behaviour." This time she left the light on, and
the video recorder remained on guard.

As David tossed and turned trying to get to sleep he
little realised that Karin was now deep in blissful
slumber. She had turned off the monitor and left the
recorder running, confident of her control she relaxed
and returned to dreamland. David's erection had
returned and wouldn't go away. But he didn't dare to
risk wanking, even under the covers, in case she was
watching. Eventually, still hard, he slept.

David awoke to a buzzing from the speaker. As soon as
he was roused Karin switched off the alarm tone and
ordered, "Monday morning, pervert. Up and get my coffee
ready."

He went to the cupboard to get his uniform and the
speaker stopped him, "Pronto buster! You should have
dressed earlier, it's too late now."

The electronic door locked clicked as he approached it,
and he found the door unlocked. He made his way to the
kitchen, scurrying quickly through Karin's bedroom,
ashamed of his nakedness. He found a menu pinned above
the work surface in the kitchen, and laid the table
with her breakfast requirements. When her table was
prepared, and her coffee ready, he returned to her room
to report, "Your breakfast is ready Madam."

She turned to face him, her dressing gown open, beneath
she was already dressed in her black lingerie. "Fetch
your restrainer," Karin ordered.

He scuttled away to return quickly with the restrainer.
She strapped him in as before. Taking hold of his
genitals from behind him, she frog marched him before
her into her bathroom.

In the bathroom was a perspex toilet which she
indicated he was to place his head into. He hesitated
and she slapped his buttocks with the palm of her hand.
"Don't try my patience after the way you behaved last
night," she warned.

As he lay on the floor, placing his head in the slot
provided, he couldn't believe she really intended what
he suspected. Was there no limit to the lengths she
would go to?

His neck was supported by the rubber beading around the
semi circular base of the slot. His head lay in the
rounded depression on the floor of the box like
construction. She slid another perspex panel into the
slot his neck had entered. This panel also had a
rubberised seal which fitted neatly around his neck.
Karin lowered the top, and then the toilet seat into
place and secured the whole arrangement with catches,
locking him in place. David begged, "Please don't do
this to me Madam, I beg you."

Karin interrupted, "Absolute silence wanker, I'll tell
you when you can speak. You behaved like a toilet
pervert last night, so I'm going to treat you like
one."

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posted by: "Christine" at u4ds.com / MsChristine.com
posted on: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:39:14 +0100

Previous issues are at:-
http://u4ds.com/stories/meeting_and_seduction/

In The Bank Manager's Cupboard - by Ms. Christine
Copyright 1986-2009 Christine and David Stevenson

Part Twenty-two

He little realised that Karin's video system had the
benefit of such a sensitive microphone, and that she
had left it switched on as she was drifting peacefully
towards sleep. As he whimpered with pleasure, Karin
heard him. It brought her out of her warm reverie and
angrily she switched the light back on, catching him on
tape. He was sniffing at her knickers and abusing
himself. Totally absorbed in lust.

He stopped, shocked, and looked at the wall lens. The
speaker warned, "Yes I am watching you. You disgusting
little pervert. COLD WATER, BED AND BEHAVE YOURSELF
WERE YOUR INSTRUCTIONS. I want no more of this public
toilet behaviour." This time she left the light on, and
the video recorder remained on guard.

As David tossed and turned trying to get to sleep he
little realised that Karin was now deep in blissful
slumber. She had turned off the monitor and left the
recorder running, confident of her control she relaxed
and returned to dreamland. David's erection had
returned and wouldn't go away. But he didn't dare to
risk wanking, even under the covers, in case she was
watching. Eventually, still hard, he slept.

David awoke to a buzzing from the speaker. As soon as
he was roused Karin switched off the alarm tone and
ordered, "Monday morning, pervert. Up and get my coffee
ready."

He went to the cupboard to get his uniform and the
speaker stopped him, "Pronto buster! You should have
dressed earlier, it's too late now."

The electronic door locked clicked as he approached it,
and he found the door unlocked. He made his way to the
kitchen, scurrying quickly through Karin's bedroom,
ashamed of his nakedness. He found a menu pinned above
the work surface in the kitchen, and laid the table
with her breakfast requirements. When her table was
prepared, and her coffee ready, he returned to her room
to report, "Your breakfast is ready Madam."

She turned to face him, her dressing gown open, beneath
she was already dressed in her black lingerie. "Fetch
your restrainer," Karin ordered.

He scuttled away to return quickly with the restrainer.
She strapped him in as before. Taking hold of his
genitals from behind him, she frog marched him before
her into her bathroom.

In the bathroom was a perspex toilet which she
indicated he was to place his head into. He hesitated
and she slapped his buttocks with the palm of her hand.
"Don't try my patience after the way you behaved last
night," she warned.

As he lay on the floor, placing his head in the slot
provided, he couldn't believe she really intended what
he suspected. Was there no limit to the lengths she
would go to?

His neck was supported by the rubber beading around the
semi circular base of the slot. His head lay in the
rounded depression on the floor of the box like
construction. She slid another perspex panel into the
slot his neck had entered. This panel also had a
rubberised seal which fitted neatly around his neck.
Karin lowered the top, and then the toilet seat into
place and secured the whole arrangement with catches,
locking him in place. David begged, "Please don't do
this to me Madam, I beg you."

Karin interrupted, "Absolute silence wanker, I'll tell
you when you can speak. You behaved like a toilet
pervert last night, so I'm going to treat you like
one."

Part Twenty-three is at:-

http://u4ds.com/2009/04/bank_managers_cupboard_23.shtml

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Date: 18 Apr 2009 09:02:48 -0000
From: macK

In "dominant female / submissive male lifestyle" yoniman wrote:

>Interested in how i can be a better submissive

I'm barely learning this DS relationship and I hear that it can
be a beautiful thing between two people? Do you have any
resources on how I can do research to please my Domme that would
impress her? Again I am 101 very new but would love to learn to
please my princess. Could you help?

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Date: 15 Apr 2009 18:36:01 -0000
From: Jess

In Anniversary Surprise, Shoekisser wrote:

>ball ring. This one is high tech, wireless -snip- Any time a
>woman asks about it, I hand her a ManTran business card.

ManTran I could not find a link or any other info. Ball ring -
Where can I get one?

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:49:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Victoria Markham

I have just returned from Africa after several gruelling months
and am trying to catch up with some of my old friends. The
totally humiliated Daniel, who served me as my human clothesline
should get in touch and also Glencam whose message intrigued me.
I am also interested in any new cbt ideas from lady readers.

I think it would be a nice gesture by your male readers if they
were to give some money to the Red Cross (I work for an aid
agency) in gratitude to the female contributors who give of
their time to help them on your site.

Keep up your excellent work Christine and don't give david too
hard a time!

Please publish email as I am happy to be contacted privately if
preferred.

Victoria.
victoriatrix7@yahoo.co.uk

email address info

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# Re: C: topping from the bottom - what is it?
# Re: P: dominant wife seeking couples with similar interests
# Re: C: dominant woman - only in a drunken stupor x 4
# S: In The Bank Manager's Cupboard. Part Twenty-one
# Re: UK porn censorship and hypocrisy

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C: How to escape Mother-in-law?
Date: 2 Apr 2009 10:58:11 -0000
From: Daniel Gold

Recently, my girl friend dressed me like a girl and invited her
younger sister into the room without my notice and her sister
burst into laughter to see me dressed in my GF's skirt and bra.
Both teased me a lot and my sister-in-law expressed her desire
to show my dress to her mother too. When i objected she gave me
an option to wear a long hair wig in return to keep the incident
a secret or else she would show my pics (she took my pics when
she entered the room) to her mother. I had no choice but to
accept her option.

When i wore the long hair wig, she invited her mother into the
room and all three females had a good laugh at me. I tried to
run but i falter so many times in high heels. Eventually mother-
in-law held and supported me with her hands while i was
speechless as to how to react and face her. I was so ashamed to
stand in front of her.

Now, mother-in-law has asked me to dress like a girl for her
every week or else she will show my pics to my family and
friends too.

What should i do? Are all mother-in-laws like her?

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Re: C: topping from the bottom - what is it?
Date: 2 Apr 2009 23:09:08 -0000
From: Ms. Irish - Darlyn Boyle

topping from the bottom?

Well that means when the sub tries to control from the bottom.
i.e. he/she thinks he/she should be in control.

oh please ...

do hope this helps?

with much sadistic affection.

Ms. Irish

whose boy often tries this, then I either IGNORE HIM (which is
worse than anything I can do) or make him kneel on rice in the
bathroom.

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Re: P: dominant wife seeking couples with similar interests
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:50:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: surfer slave

I hope I am doing this right for direct contact.

Mark wrote:

>My mistress and I live in northern California. I'm hoping that
>we might be able to be friends with another couple

My Mistress and I also live in NorCal and would like to
socialize. Contact me at surferslave@yahoo.com

We'll put our Mistresses in touch, since I am sure you'll agree,
they should be organizing any get-togethers.

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Re: C: dominant woman - only in a drunken stupor
From: Madamplz
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 00:31:31 EDT

Mark wrote:

>"The one thing Darryl did get right is the fact that a
>"Matriarchal society" is sheer fantasy."

No, I think he got that wrong too.

Mark wrote:

>"Neither gender is inherently "superior" to the other."

I would agree with you on that one, however, it is a separate
issue from a matriarchy being sheer fantasy.

Further Mark wrote:

>"Everything else he posted was utter ignorant nonsense."

I would agree with you if you remove the word "else".

Mark then wrote:

>"The signs were there, just not as out in the open."

Are you new here? While many have eventually ignored him, Darryl
has been very up front and out in the open with his needs for
two dimensional women who are unable to object to his
manipulations. Whenever he posts, I get an image of an oft naked
man typing away fervently with a somewhat stained, yet well
used, portrait of Wonder Woman sitting next to his monitor.

I could be wrong. It could just as well be Catwoman.

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Re: C: dominant woman - only in a drunken stupor
From: "nuked_potatoes" - Darryl
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:54:34 -0600

Hello Ms Christine,

I do promise a proper response to all. I have only quickly
skimmed thru DOMestic posts. As i mentioned in my last post I am
truly working 14 hours plus a day right now in the field. Namely
northern Alberta's oilsands.

My last post was only to acknowledge those who responded. I will
be back to elaborate on my views. I do have a quick comment on
one post. Perhaps i read it too quickly. It seemed to suggest
that womanhood and child-bearing were not the most divine gift
of Women, that it was somehow lesser. A very strange perception
to me, as i see it as the holy grail. I digress i am off to
sleep after day 18.

Barring the multitude of actual life things that i must arrange
when i get a day off. Like renewing my car registration, a trip
to the dentist, yadda yadda yadda, I will be grateful to re-
enter this discussion.

Until then, and as ever loyal,

nuked potatoes

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Re: C: dominant woman - only in a drunken stupor
From: Saber - Miss Stress
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:48:49 -0500

shy won wrote:

>Erotic is tickling your partner with a feather..... Kinky is
>using the whole chicken...

LOL. That was cute shy won. I like the way you spelled shy won
too.

nuked potatoes wrote:

>I am only briefly able to read DOMestic as I recently started
>a new project, and my days are filled with work and sleep.

Understandable, Real Life should take precedence over Virtual
Life. I look forward to your reply.

>i can answer one question with another however. What is Kink?
>to that I'd ask what is normal?

That's easy. Merriam-Webster dictionary defines normal here:
normal

Now, Since this conversation is dealing with what is fair and
not fair to women, as well as what is or isn't kink. Normal in
this instance would follow through with definition:-

2 a: according with, constituting, or not deviating from a norm,
rule, or principle b: conforming to a type, standard, or regular
pattern

Now I also looked up kink with the following result:
Kink

Definitions in relation to this conversation are:-

2 a: a mental or physical peculiarity : eccentricity , quirk b:
whim

6: unconventional sexual taste or behavior

And Kinky returned the following:

Kinky

2. relating to, having, or appealing to unconventional tastes
especially in sex ; also : sexually deviant

Now, I am female. I am dominant. I personally like anal sex
where I am the recipient from time to time. So therefore,
according to my 'vanilla' friends I am 'kinky' or 'into kink'.
According to a few other FemDoms I know, I do not fall into the
'norm' with that behavior even in the BDSM world, so I am an
abnormality in that respect as well.

So, *IF* I enjoy this activity, and it is *normal* for me to
engage in it, even though others view it as 'kinky', how would
it be unfair to me as a female? Answer that.

Saber
AKA Miss Stress

"Vocabulary enables us to interpret and to express. If you have
a limited vocabulary, you will also have a limited vision and a
limited future."-Jim Rohn

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Re: C: dominant woman - only in a drunken stupor
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:22:51 -0000
From: "MaitresseX"

Dear Ms. Christine,

It is good to see more activity on this list but I personally
find the thread from "nuked potatoes" tiring. He should be
happy to be on such a wonderful list and be more respectful
since this is a Fem Dom group. Maybe nuked should explore a
different sexual arena. I am certainly not in the mood to
correct him or pay attention to him.

Regards,
MaitresseX

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S: In The Bank Manager's Cupboard. Part Twenty-one
From: "Christine" at u4ds.com
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:55:08 +0000

Previous issues are at:-
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In The Bank Manager's Cupboard - by Ms. Christine
Copyright 1986-2009 Christine and David Stevenson

Part Twenty-one

Karin was not long returning to the bedroom, she
promptly unlocked his room and breezed in cheerfully,
waving her keys as if to promise unlocking him. She
pushed David back onto his bed. She stepped out of her
panties and climbed astride his face saying, "I'm very
sticky, clean up the mess." With both hands she held
her vaginal lips open, and tensing her muscles she
positioned herself just above his mouth. She ordered,
"Tongue."

He licked out her vagina, nearly gagging as he was
forced to swallow male semen from her recent encounter.
Karin taunted David, "If you were a real man, you would
be allowed to do it, not just clean up after." She
reached down and grabbed both his ears, then wiped
herself back and forth over his tongue. Commenting, "As
a flannel excellent, as a man useless."

She climbed off and ordered David to turn over. Picking
up her keys from where they had fallen to the floor she
unlocked him and unstrapped him completely. She rolled
him onto his back again and once again sat astride his
face, this time facing his feet. "This is known as
Queening," she said as she let her weight fall upon his
face, her anus on his mouth. "I think you can
understand why!"

David, feeling totally subjugated, could understand
that!

Karin ordered. "Worship me, that's a good little
flannel, and I'll give you your reward."

David, now familiar with how to worship Karin, pushed
his tongue deeply where it had been before, just as he
had in the afternoon. As he did so he felt her touching
his penis lightly. Her fingers playing with him like a
pianist tripping lightly over a piano keyboard. This in
itself a frustrating kind of pleasure, and he thrust
his hips up to meet her hands. Trying to gain
fulfilment.

Karin relaxed back onto his face, and let David do all
the work. He could barely reach her fingers, yet he
constantly thrust upwards gaining so little for so much
effort. Karin almost laughed at the idea, he was being
made to tease himself.

He was brought to the verge of orgasm, and then she
slapped his prick back and forth, painfully stemming
his eruption. She repeated the process again and again
and David thrust his tongue desperately into her,
hoping that it would earn him the ultimate reward. His
penis became red and sore, just as his buttocks had
been that afternoon.

Denying him any release, she climbed off and
instructed, "Cold water, and then bed. Behave
yourself."

David couldn't see her amusement as she locked the door
on him. His light went out seconds later. David lay
there in sexual torment, his organ pumping, he
desperately wanted to touch it. But dare he? Eventually
he took the risk of wanking, thinking that Karin must
have gone to sleep. He was instantly on the verge of
orgasm, but the light came back on. Realising that
Karin was almost certainly now watching him he went
over to the bidet and splashed himself with water,
until his erection eventually subsided.

As he returned to the bed, the speaker announced,
"That's a good boy, now don't ruin it, behave
yourself." The light went out again and David lay down
and tried to sleep. He tossed and turned restlessly.
Then he felt something silky against his face and he
realised that Karin had left her panties in his bed.

David held the silky garment up to his face. He
inhaled, and by the scent alone his nose located the
gusset. There he found the smell of her sex, and he
sniffed, like an animal in heat. The scent of her was
more than he could take, and he took hold of his
throbbing erection, and started wanking furiously.

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Re: UK porn censorship and hypocrisy
Date: 4 Apr 2009 17:25:50 -0000
From: David at u4ds.com

Hello,

Christine wrote:

>If we lived in an ideal world, I'd be the first to defend the
>UK Home Secretary against the eagerness of the gutter press to
>do an expose on her husband watching adult movies

I see that satirical writer Clive James sort of agrees with you,
he writes that Porn is:-

"To keep one's mind off sex while one's partner is absent."

And he says that:-

"Very few voices have dared to speak up in defence of the Home
Secretary's husband, but let mine be one of them."

Full (tongue in cheek) article is at:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7982132.stm

sincerely,
David at u4ds.com

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posted by: "Christine" at u4ds.com / MsChristine.com
posted on: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:55:08 +0000

Previous issues are at:-
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In The Bank Manager's Cupboard - by Ms. Christine
Copyright 1986-2009 Christine and David Stevenson

Part Twenty-one

Karin was not long returning to the bedroom, she
promptly unlocked his room and breezed in cheerfully,
waving her keys as if to promise unlocking him. She
pushed David back onto his bed. She stepped out of her
panties and climbed astride his face saying, "I'm very
sticky, clean up the mess." With both hands she held
her vaginal lips open, and tensing her muscles she
positioned herself just above his mouth. She ordered,
"Tongue."

He licked out her vagina, nearly gagging as he was
forced to swallow male semen from her recent encounter.
Karin taunted David, "If you were a real man, you would
be allowed to do it, not just clean up after." She
reached down and grabbed both his ears, then wiped
herself back and forth over his tongue. Commenting, "As
a flannel excellent, as a man useless."

She climbed off and ordered David to turn over. Picking
up her keys from where they had fallen to the floor she
unlocked him and unstrapped him completely. She rolled
him onto his back again and once again sat astride his
face, this time facing his feet. "This is known as
Queening," she said as she let her weight fall upon his
face, her anus on his mouth. "I think you can
understand why!"

David, feeling totally subjugated, could understand
that!

Karin ordered. "Worship me, that's a good little
flannel, and I'll give you your reward."

David, now familiar with how to worship Karin, pushed
his tongue deeply where it had been before, just as he
had in the afternoon. As he did so he felt her touching
his penis lightly. Her fingers playing with him like a
pianist tripping lightly over a piano keyboard. This in
itself a frustrating kind of pleasure, and he thrust
his hips up to meet her hands. Trying to gain
fulfilment.

Karin relaxed back onto his face, and let David do all
the work. He could barely reach her fingers, yet he
constantly thrust upwards gaining so little for so much
effort. Karin almost laughed at the idea, he was being
made to tease himself.

He was brought to the verge of orgasm, and then she
slapped his prick back and forth, painfully stemming
his eruption. She repeated the process again and again
and David thrust his tongue desperately into her,
hoping that it would earn him the ultimate reward. His
penis became red and sore, just as his buttocks had
been that afternoon.

Denying him any release, she climbed off and
instructed, "Cold water, and then bed. Behave
yourself."

David couldn't see her amusement as she locked the door
on him. His light went out seconds later. David lay
there in sexual torment, his organ pumping, he
desperately wanted to touch it. But dare he? Eventually
he took the risk of wanking, thinking that Karin must
have gone to sleep. He was instantly on the verge of
orgasm, but the light came back on. Realising that
Karin was almost certainly now watching him he went
over to the bidet and splashed himself with water,
until his erection eventually subsided.

As he returned to the bed, the speaker announced,
"That's a good boy, now don't ruin it, behave
yourself." The light went out again and David lay down
and tried to sleep. He tossed and turned restlessly.
Then he felt something silky against his face and he
realised that Karin had left her panties in his bed.

David held the silky garment up to his face. He
inhaled, and by the scent alone his nose located the
gusset. There he found the smell of her sex, and he
sniffed, like an animal in heat. The scent of her was
more than he could take, and he took hold of his
throbbing erection, and started wanking furiously.

Part Twenty-two is at:-

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Date: 2 Apr 2009 10:58:11 -0000
From: Daniel Gold

Recently, my girl friend dressed me like a girl and invited her
younger sister into the room without my notice and her sister
burst into laughter to see me dressed in my GF's skirt and bra.
Both teased me a lot and my sister-in-law expressed her desire
to show my dress to her mother too. When i objected she gave me
an option to wear a long hair wig in return to keep the incident
a secret or else she would show my pics (she took my pics when
she entered the room) to her mother. I had no choice but to
accept her option.

When i wore the long hair wig, she invited her mother into the
room and all three females had a good laugh at me. I tried to
run but i falter so many times in high heels. Eventually mother-
in-law held and supported me with her hands while i was
speechless as to how to react and face her. I was so ashamed to
stand in front of her.

Now, mother-in-law has asked me to dress like a girl for her
every week or else she will show my pics to my family and
friends too.

What should i do? Are all mother-in-laws like her?

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C: topping from the bottom - what is it?
From: miss allie
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:28:02 EDT

I know that i must be stupid but i don't understand what
"topping from the bottom" is. Can somebody please explain that
to me? It would be most appreciated.

miss allie

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Re: C: topping from the bottom - what is it?
Date: 24 Mar 2009 21:09:18 -0000
From: micheleFFS

miss allie wrote:

>i don't understand what "topping from the bottom" is. Can
>somebody please explain

I'm brand new to the site, but experienced in BDSM. My
understanding of "topping from the bottom" is when the bottom,
the passive or receiving partner, attempts to direct the scene
and to tell the top what to do. This is very distinct from
negotiating or setting limits beforehand.

As an example, suppose a top and bottom agree she'll use both a
paddle and a cane on the lucky submissive. If he didn't explain
he likes thud (paddle) and wanted to explore limits of sting
(cane) beforehand, he'd probably be considered topping from the
bottom if he insisted on "More thud, less sting" while she was
exercising her caning skills.

There are gray areas. My Superior was cropping me one night and
kept striking the same spot again and again. Eventually, it hurt
so much I asked her to please hit me somewhere else. She
refused. I tried to endure, but I was beyond my comfort zone. I
finally said "I'm using my safeword for that spot, not the whole
scene," then said my safeword. She relented and covered the rest
of my grateful bum with the leather. We had an inconclusive
discussion afterwards.

What do the rest of you think? Was I topping from the bottom,
informing and begging (as I thought I was), or negotiating after
the fact? As a switch, I'm very aware of the need to care for
your bottoms.

michele

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Re: C: topping from the bottom - what is it?
Date: 25 Mar 2009 01:18:57 -0000
From: MichaelK

The way I see BDSM is that there are two different components -
Dom/sub and S/M (giving and receiving pain).

I think of the words top and bottom as applying to the S/M part.
Those taking part in S/M may or may not also enjoy Dom / sub.

A dominant may enjoy the sensations of being whipped, and so
sometimes be a bottom. Perhaps in such a situation it is
appropriate for the Dom to give direction to the top (who might
be their sub).

Where, in my opinion, the terminology breaks down is when
"topping from the bottom" is used to refer to a sub who tries to
influence the activities. If this couple don't do any S/M, then
neither are a top or a bottom.

Unfortunately "topping from the bottom" is so commonly used to
also mean "dominating from the submissive" that we are probably
stuck with it.

The example given by micheleFFS is a good one for showing how
BDSM has different viewpoints.

I think that there will be some who think that it is appropriate for a top
to do whatever they want until a Safe Word is used.

But if I was micheleFFS I would be very unhappy with my top.

Though the BDSM ideal is of a top who does what they want (or a
Dominant that is 100% in control), I think that for many of us
we prefer our BDSM to be a little bit more (or a lot more) a
partnership.

I wish all those striving for the BDSM ideal good luck.

But for the rest of us I think the BDSM ideal lets some
tops/doms get away with not caring enough for their partner, and
I think the BDSM ideal leaves some bottoms/subs who feel unhappy
about how things are going thinking that it is their fault for
not meeting the BDSM ideal, and thus they should not just put up
with the behaviour, but should somehow try to embrace their
top/dom's behaviour.

Devotional Sex is based on everything being win-win. That is
both people enjoy what happens. This is an alternative to the
view of the perfect bottom/submissive who should just accept.

I think micheleFFS should decide what makes her happy as a
person. This might be to strive towards the BDSM ideal (and thus
she should accept her top's behaviour), or it can be to say that
in her interactions she wants more win-win, and so it is
appropriate to tell her top that she went too far.

Cheers,
Michael

Devotional Sex

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Re: C: men who top from the bottom - submissive or not?
Date: 25 Mar 2009 21:35:18 -0000
From: Renate

People with bdsm feelings have in real life often the opposite
role.

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Re: P: dominant wife seeking couples with similar interests
Date: 31 Mar 2009 03:52:40 -0000
From: Mark

Ms. Kitty wrote:

>interested in developing friendships with other couples (man
>and women) who believe the wife is in charge and the
>disciplinarian. We are seeking a couple like ourselves.

Hi Ms. Kitty

My mistress and I live in northern California. I'm hoping that
we might be able to be friends with another couple in the bay
area that we might be able to be social with and have some what
free flowing conversations. Although we scene and play in public
we really don't socialize, and, I miss the company.

If you're interested in helping, please let me know.

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Re: C: dominant woman - only in a drunken stupor
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:15:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: nuked potatoes

Miss Stress - Saber wrote:

>I strongly disagree based upon my definition of kink, so I'd
>like to know yours.

Hello all,

I am only briefly able to read DOMestic as I recently started a
new project, and my days are filled with work and sleep. I am
grateful for all who shared and will respond when I have enough
time. Ms Sabre - approx 2 weeks my next time off. i can answer
one question with another however. What is Kink? to that I'd ask
what is normal?

nuked potatoes

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Re: C: dominant woman - only in a drunken stupor
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:26:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: shy won

Miss Stress - Saber wrote:

>Define Kink, please. Because I strongly disagree based upon my
>definition of kink, so I'd like to know yours. You can give
>examples if you want.

Erotic is tickling your partner with a feather.....
Kinky is using the whole chicken...

Sorry, couldn't resist :)

shywon

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Re: C: dominant woman - only in a drunken stupor
Date: 24 Mar 2009 03:08:42 -0000
From: Mark

Ok, I read all of this drivel Darryl spouted on this and "Is
Kink Really Fair.....", with disdainful amusement.

Time for some facts to clear the air, (note this comes from
someone with nearly 30 years actual, real life lifestyle
experience), are you ready?

Some men and women are naturally submissive.

Some men and women are naturally dominant.

Some men and women are naturally switches, (able to switch
between being dominant and/or submissive), with different or the
same partners.

Some men and women are neither in the context of a relationship
and have no interest in it.

The one thing Darryl did get right is the fact that a
"Matriarchal society" is sheer fantasy. Neither gender is
inherently "superior" to the other. It's the individual's
experience, interest, personality, and other factors that
determine if they are dominant, submissive, a switch, and if
they will act upon such tendencies and seek out a like minded
partner. I myself do not automatically fall to my knees in the
presence of any woman other than my Wife, dominant or not. I
submit to my Wife only, and the rest of the world can go
wandering around bothering themselves for all I care.

Everything else he posted was utter ignorant nonsense.

>"But it is true I do not believe Women were ever to be
>Dominant in a sexual way. Women are nurturing, mothers sisters
>and daughters. Dominance on a Woman's part is the respect she
>commands by being her true self not some pervy idea a Man comes
>up with."

Darryl, does your narrow minded view of sexuality and women take
into account dominant and submissive lesbians? From your
comments you relegate women to being sexless creatures meant
only to nurture and be "brood mares". How quaintly Victorian! Do
you also feel that women have no interest in sex and are
incapable of orgasms, much as the Victorians believed? How much
actual experience do you have with women, (outside of your
Mother, sisters, cousins, co-workers and the like), to base such
illogical and spurious comments on?

I have known, (and had the honor, pleasure and privilege of
serving), many dominant women in my lifetime and am currently
very happily married to a very dominant, strict, exacting and
most importantly, very loving woman. She was dominant and
experienced in the lifestyle before we met, just as I was
submissive and experienced in it as well, so neither of us had
to "change" the other one into something we weren't.

I don't know what you're seeking in a woman, or what dominant
qualities you want to project onto them, but I can see why
you're having zero success in finding the right woman for you. I
don't think she exists, except in your fantasies, and thus you
can make such poorly thought out sweeping comments as you have.
Either that, or you are so terrified of finding someone that can
actually dominate you, and thus discovering your true nature,
that you deliberately set the bar for them so artificially high
that nobody can reach it.

What a load of poorly thought out and ridiculous comments you
made Darryl, but then the past few years of being here, I've
read much from you that pointed to this ultimate unravelling of
your idealogical thoughts and beliefs. The signs were there,
just not as out in the open.

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Re: C: dominant woman - only in a drunken stupor
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:13:40 +0100
From: "Christine" at u4ds.com

Hello,

nuked potatoes wrote:

>i can answer one question with another however. What is Kink?
>to that I'd ask what is normal?

Nuked, I suggest you read DOMestic properly before replying in
future. You are just wasting everyone's time.

Your answer "what is normal?" is not only a waste of time but an
insult to everyone who has replied to you. Have the courtesy to
read and answer the questions.

You completely missed and/or deliberately evaded the points
raised. So it seems to be you who is copping out.

Nobody here was asking you "what is kink". I've already offered
you a definition at:-

http://u4ds.com/2009/02/dominant_woman_only_in_a_drunk.shtml#c006218

We were asking you what _you_ define as kink? Nobody but you can
answer that question, as it is only about you.

Now you have asked yourself another question which you can also
be the only one to answer. What do you define as normal?

I've already offered my definition of normal at:-

http://u4ds.com/2009/03/is_kink_really_fair_for_most_w.shtml

What do you define as kink that you think is unfair to most
women?

We can't discuss your sweeping generalisations that some things
exist, and others don't exist, until you define what you mean by
your words.

You will be just wasting your time and ours until you can answer
the questions about your definitions including the question
David asked at:-

http://u4ds.com/2009/03/dominant_woman_definition.shtml

Where David wrote:

"A dominant woman has actual control of the BDSM
context/relationship, exercising authority or power over a
submissive"

And where David asked:

Do you accept that definition of a "Dominant Woman"?
If not, would you like to give us your definition?

sincerely,
Christine at Ms-Christine.com

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Re: S: Anniversary Surprise
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:18:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: michelle collins

I really loved shoekisser's story. All 13 parts of it were
eagerly awaited.

Thank you shoekisser wherever you are darling!

shelle

xxxxx

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Re: S: Anniversary Surprise
Date: 29 Mar 2009 14:04:24 -0000
From: shoekisser

shelle wrote:

>Thank you shoekisser wherever you are darling!

Shelle,

I'm in sunny Southern California.
I'm working on another story.
And thank you for the "Darling"

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Story: In The Bank Manager's Cupboard. Part Twenty.
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:39:54 -0000
From: "Christine" at u4ds.com / MsChristine.com

Previous issues are at:-
http://u4ds.com/stories/meeting_and_seduction/

In The Bank Manager's Cupboard - by Ms. Christine
Copyright 1986-2009 Christine and David Stevenson
http://www.mschristine.com/bank.shtml

Part Twenty.

Sporting an erection, which poked ridiculously behind
him, David remembered the sight he had last seen. He
made a futile attempt top rub his erection against the
bedclothes by lying on his back and wriggling. Never
before in his life had he known what it was like to
have an erection that his hands could not reach. The
choice as to whether or not to masturbate was no longer
his. It was ridiculous and unfair, exasperating, not to
mention uncomfortable. He was locked in with nothing
but fantasies to keep him company. He could gain no
sexual relief, and little pleasure. His erection became
so bothersome that eventually he gave up, and once
again did as Karin had suggested. He filled the bidet
with cold water, and sat down to cool off his lust.
Something he had to do several times during the
evening.

Karin didn't return for hours, it must have been around
midnight when David heard voices, then giggling and
laughing coming up the stairs. Finding it complicated
to kneel, he again bent over and peeked through the
keyhole. He was inflamed with jealousy and desire as he
saw Karin, with a man. They were necking, and stroking
their hands over each other's bodies. She was now
beside her bed, groping him. Her passion astounded
David, as he watched her squirming her body against the
man. She was panting, hot with lust.

What David could not know was that Karin's arousal was
partially, if not mostly stimulated by the thought of
making David watch. The other man was just another
object to be used in her games. With some difficulty in
the restricting outfit David knelt, squashing his
genitals against the floor, further adding to his
discomfort and indignity in order to get his eye
against the keyhole.

Karin tore at the man's belt, and dropped his trousers
and underpants as she fell back upon the bed, pulling
him with her. She wriggled to help the man pull off her
panties and moaned with pleasure as she pulled him on
top of her. She helped him enter her, and he instantly
started bucking and pumping. Certain that David would
be watching, Karin looked towards the door and groaned
in ecstasy. She was moving vigorously up against the
man, meeting his thrusts, as she rushed headlong
towards her climax. Her first orgasm came in seconds
and she pushed the man down the bed towards her vulva.
His face was soon in position and as his tongue pushed
deep into her, Karin's hand moved in a blur against her
clitoris.

David felt humiliated by his own position as he watched
Karin's face, he had never seen a woman's face express
so much ecstasy and pleasure. After her second climax
she pulled the man back up her body, and as the man
pumped towards his own climax Karin's face contorted
with her cries of pleasure as orgasm followed orgasm.
The man slumped onto Karin as he pumped his own seed
deep within her.

Karin and the man collapsed together on the bed for
quite a while, apparently recovering from their
passion. Eventually David saw Karin kneel up and crawl
down the bed, she turned her back to David so that his
view was between her parted legs. There she sucked the
man back to erection. David watched Karin's own hand go
between her parted thighs as she knelt so blatantly
exposed to him. Karin toyed with herself as she licked
and sucked the man's genitals. This was perhaps the
greatest of all humiliations for David. To see the
woman he revered give herself to another in that way,
the woman who denied him so much. He heard them both
moan as the man obviously came in her mouth.

How could she, after all she said about men, behave in
such an abandoned manner with another? It didn't make
sense to him! She must like it both ways? Then why not
with him?

It must have been long past one in the morning before
they had both left the room. Karin was again
respectable, her panties replaced and now wearing a
negligee. David returned to sit on his bed in abject
misery. Some ten minutes later her voice announced over
the speaker to David, "That was a real man in action,
wanker." Karin must be alone downstairs, he concluded,
as he heard her laughter before she released the
microphone button. She must have known he would be
watching, and she had obviously enjoyed that knowledge.

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UK porn censorship and hypocrisy
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:40:47 +0100
From: "Christine" at u4ds.com

Hello,

If we lived in an ideal world, I'd be the first to defend the UK
Home Secretary against the eagerness of the gutter press to do
an expose on her husband watching adult movies.

However, the UK is not an ideal place, it has a recent law which
took effect in January harassing private individuals which we
reported in the thread "UK censorship and porn possession law
comes into effect". (link displays here on blog)

One of the advocates of this law is Jaqui Smith, Britain's first
woman Home Secretary who has taken a stance on the sex
industry, pledging to introduce tough licensing laws for adult
clubs. She is the person responsible for regulating the adult
entertainment industry in the UK.

So, it is with dismay that I see the front page news today was
that this same Jaqui Smith has claimed House of Commons
expenses, paid by the tax-payer, for the cost of watching adult
films. This is the same Ms Smith who also claimed tax-payer
funded allowances for her real home, on the basis that her first
home was a room no bigger than a cupboard under the stairs at
her sister's house.

She says she abided by the rules by designating her sister's
house as her main residence, allowing her to claim payments on
the real Redditch constituency home she actually lives in and
shares with her husband and children.

The Home Secretary, submitted the bill for adult movies as part
of a claim for television services even though she had not been
at the family home on the dates in April last year when the
adult films were viewed. The BBC covered the story here:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7970492.stm

Her husband who also gets 40,000 pounds from the UK tax-payer
for being her assistant has apologised for embarrassing her as
it was he who viewed the films in question.

The Virgin Media bill submitted as a supposedly legitimate
expense on her so called second home included two 18-rated items
listed as "additional features", which cost five pounds each to
view. Virgin Media have confirmed the phrase is a euphemism used
on their bills for films with an "adult content".

One has to question the ethical standards of a Home Secretary
who has already claimed well over 150,000 pounds from the
British tax-payer for her family home "within the rules" as a
second home, although hardly within the spirit of the law. Such
tax-payer funds paid for her entertainment centre, DVD players,
two wide-screen televisions and two digital set-top boxes and
just about everything else in the home including the kitchen
sink.

Should a person with such moral and ethical standards be the one
the tax-payers are obliged to pay for spending her time
legislating over what adults do, read, and watch in the UK?

Another censorship issue also hit the news this week which may
serve to the lighten the mood is that the BBC reported that the
law-makers in parliament have their own web browsing 'censored'

One effect of that censorship is to block MPs' access to
articles written by at least one of their own who writes a
column on one of the web sites that is blocked.

If it wasn't for the fact that government should be a serious
issue done by sensible folk, I'd just want to say "grow up" and
"leave us alone" to the lot of them. As it is, we get the
politicians we deserve if we bury our heads in the sand, so
please consider very carefully just who you vote for at the next
election, and be sure to vote.

sincerely,
Christine at Ms-Christine.com

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Re: X: Fictionmania
Date: 28 Mar 2009 05:45:01 -0000
From: Heather

Terry wrote:

>they hope to have the site up and running again by the end of
>January 2009.

I was just wondering the status of Fictionmania as I have still
been unable to access their site and it is now the end of March
2009.

Thank you,
Heather Helm.

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