# C: keeping sub hubby nude - chastity a start?
# Re: U: Real Life Femdom
# C: Birdlocked male chastity belt in silicone
# Re: C: Birdlocked male chastity belt in silicone
# Re: C: In praise of Dominant Women - totally their inferior in UK
# S: In The Bank Manager's Cupboard. Part Twenty-seven
# U: Kinky Kollege - Beyond The Edge - October 2009
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C: keeping sub hubby nude - chastity a start?
From: Ashley
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:38:47 EDT
my name is Ashley... married four years and getting into this
lifestyle... and of course some problems...
do you have any suggestions on making my sub hubby stay nude at
home?
he is quite shy... and slowly learning... i know he needs to be
dominated.. but sometimes it's hard to get him to comply...
should i force him? if so, any suggestions?
i have recently put him in chastity and some results are
showing.
thank you,
Ashley
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Re: U: Real Life Femdom
Date: 3 Jun 2009 19:52:08 -0000
From: Robert
On 26 Apr 2009 Jay wrote:
>Our relationship has been drastically evolving over the last
>few years and I just wanted to start writing about what my Wife
>and I consider a "Real Life Femdom" relationship. I will
>discuss real dynamics, real situations, real success and real
>failures.
Why not put your story about your life on DOMestic. I would be
very interested in reading it.
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C: Birdlocked male chastity belt in silicone
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:57:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jones
To the group:
Does anyone have any experience with the "Birdlocked" chastity
device?
Saw a YouTube video of it, and it looks quite intriguing.
Here is the link:
http://www.birdlocked.com/male_chastity_device/male_chastity.asp
Thank you,
Tom
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Re: C: Birdlocked male chastity belt in silicone
From: "David" at u4ds.com
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:12:17 +0100
Hello,
Tom Jones wrote:
>Saw a YouTube video of it, and it looks quite intriguing.
For anybody who is as paranoid about security as I am, (I will
not have Flash software on my system) you can convert any
YouTube videos to a more secure MP4 or FLV download version for
viewing with a media player. There are lots of services that do
this, I usually use savevid.com and download an MP4.
I Googled it and downloaded the YouTube video myself, and this
is the video link I created to an MP4 or FLV download.
Birdlocked MP4 video download
Birdlocked MP4/FLV choose video download type
sincerely,
David
poem by david
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Re: C: In praise of Dominant Women - totally their inferior in UK
Date: 2 Jun 2009 12:53:10 -0000
From: Femfan
Hello,
I'd just like to thank those of you who wrote in regard to my
post. I had been somewhat worried that my posts were over long,
and, being filled as they were with the witterings of an
inexperienced male, might have been viewed with either scorn or
derision. I can't tell you how happy I was to find the opposite
to be the case, and again have to thank Ms. Christine and David
for having built such a welcoming community.
I have to admit though, the response I've read and re-read has
been, and I'll hope you forgive me for this (though you won't be
overly surprised I'm sure), Ms. Christine's, so I'd just like to
comment on a few points of hers if I may.
Christine wrote:
>A very nice hat you threw in too :-) The compliments were a
>welcome bonus as well.
I am honoured that you liked my posts, they were put in, after
all, in an effort to obey your good self, and I am happy that
they appear to have achieved their end. As for the compliments,
I only wish I had the eloquence to do you justice.
>in recognition of your enthusiasm I've just posted the next
>episode. I'm fairly sure you'll like it, it is probably my
>favourite episode... I had the giggles as I concocted it. I
>just love how wicked I was being.
Thank you so much. I LOVED it - though, for me, it ended just
before it got really interesting. As places to end a chapter go,
that was just mean! To raise a lump in men's throats (and pants)
and leave them hanging, but then, what am I talking about,
that's exactly how we should be left, gagging at the mercy of a
dominant lady's whims (but please, tell me your story and
description of his humiliation beneath her with that gag doesn't
end there!).
As for giggling and feeling wicked as you wrote it, the very
FACT that the story came from your mind, along with the content,
I have to admit, has rather a different effect on me - and with
regards to your wickedness, it's a wickedness that leaves men
like me somewhat weak at the knees.... so please, don't ever
stop ;-)
>would you be as happy if she were to take lovers and not want
>to use you for that service (oral cleanup) She might like the
>freedom to take lovers, I know I did. But she may not want to
>have that freedom imposed upon by your fantasies
Firstly, I love that everything I've fantasised about, you've
done for real. Secondly, you ask whether I would be as happy if
it were all about her rather than my fantasies. The answer, I
think, is yes.
I view, as indeed you do, the task of being ordered to lap clean
my owner's pussy after she has enjoyed a lover as a privilege
that I would be lucky to receive. What really drives my desire
in this however, is the expression of her power over me. That
she takes lovers because she wants them is the point. It is not
that I enjoy that she takes them, or need to see it necessarily,
it is the fact that she enjoys it, doing exactly what she wants,
whenever she wants, indulging herself and exerting an absolute
power over me with no regard to my feelings or desires - that is
the element that elevates her to her all powerful position in
the relationship.
Should she choose, as in my fantasy, to rub my face in it, this
is just another expression of her total freedom and power and
would drive me further into acceptance of my subjugation beneath
her metaphorical heel.
In the same vein, with regard to climbing into Ms Christine's
bathtub, it is the expression of her power that would send me
into what I have seen called subspace. The fact that because she
felt like it, a woman was ordering me to open my mouth beneath
her, and accept that in her world, I am no more than her toilet,
would utterly overwhelm me.
So it becomes a little more complex - yes, it would be a
punishment, and it is the extreme nature of the punishment that
makes it so potent - the very order, and the power being wielded
would drive me into a state of total submission, which, at the
same time, would be about as exciting to me sexually as it is
possible to be. So as I kneeled or lay to order, opened my
mouth, and accepted my humiliation and total subjugation beneath
her, drinking my mistress' urine as commanded, I would find
myself becoming ever more her slave.
With each drop my pride would dissolve as I fell deeper and
deeper under her control, giving myself up to her absolute power
over me, sinking ever further beneath her spell. Sorry if that's
all a bit extreme and confused, but it is honest.
As to being broken by a woman, in my mind I would be broken to
her and her alone, and remain to all others (and to her when she
desired it) a man. I am in life, a reasonably successful, (I
like to think) vaguely intelligent man. I am 6'2" tall, strong,
and have many friends (don't get me wrong, I'm not perfect, I
need to lose weight, I could be less lazy etc., etc.).
My submission to a woman would be in deference to her strength,
power and character, and I hope would therefore mean more to
her, knowing that what to the world in general is a strong man,
in private is a wimp that crawls before her, falls to his knees
at the click of her fingers, and lives under her total rule as
possession and plaything.
I found the description of your processes when making the films
really interesting. I will watch them again with interest now
that I have a little more insight into the process. I will also
continue to watch them with a hell of a lot of enjoyment now
that I know the scenes were at your leisure and according to
your whim, knowing that the action was real, and I am in fact
watching a truly dominant woman taking her pleasures raises the
films to a whole new level.
And finally...
>The length was fine, and you were totally coherent. Just the
>way I like my men, before I reduce them to stuttering wimps..
>;-)
OK - once I get over the feeling in the pit of my stomach
whenever I read THAT sentence, can I just say that the elegance
of making a statement, achieving an end, and proving a point in
a single sentence is just staggering.
Apologies once again for the length of my ramblings - oh to have
your perfect, headspinning brevity!
Your stuttering wimp
FF
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Re: C: In praise of Dominant Women - totally their inferior in UK
From: jboy
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:45:33 -0300
Hello again everyone,
Well i wanted to reply to this "in praise of" because I enjoyed
reading it.
I also remember posting about my quit smoking plan in which i
had promised to keep updated on progress.... i didn't because
there was none or little sadly.
Hmmm which first......
quit smoking plan
Well it didn't work... i had thought it would, but nope.
It was an excel spreadsheet that increased my canings in
accordance with the amount smoked. My belief that it would work
stemmed from my fear of the cane.
But for one reason or another... actually many, what happened
was... my hesitant Dom couldn't bring herself to inflict the
necessary force required and more importantly the fearful sub
(me) grew to not fear and actually look forward to the caning.
Perhaps i had an ulterior subconscious desire for the cane that
i was unaware of and that was what drove me.
Suffice to say that it didn't work and we stopped... i still
smoke.
Yes fantasy is a wonderful thing. i still live in that land but
i am also entering real life land at the same time.
My wife, aside from the fact i plainly just adore her... has
lived almost her entire life as the typical submissive bible
belt abused woman.
When i came onto the scene i worshipped her (in accordance to my
fantasy/belief) in a way that was long overdue in my opinion. I
have shared my fantasies with her and she has embraced it more
or less and in her submissive way granted my desires.... yet in
doing so she has awakened her dominant side and no longer has to
hide this part.
She is still the doting wife (all those little things that
aren't so little in fact get done for me and that is something
that still makes me very uncomfortable... but one day at a time)
but she is fully enjoying the dominant role as well.
This green submissive woman has:
used me as furniture
as a toilet (not full but still exciting and enjoyed by both
parties)
used toys (she had never used a dildo in her life let alone one
that was strapped to someone's face or around her waist)
engaged in spankings floggings and canings
entertained the idea of cuckolding and regularly uses it as
pillow talk during sex
keeps me in chastity off and on
expects me to pleasure her and not have to reciprocate
If it weren't for the presence of children we would be much
farther along the road to a perfect road but that being said it
is a road that is scenic and wonderful to travel along with the
one that you adore. hmmm.... could i use the word road again?
road... yes i can!
I suppose what i am saying in my rambling (i haven't had a
coffee yet) kind of way is that don't stop trying, you will find
something that is, if not your fantasy right now, will become
your fantasy in life that you can build on and grow with.
i for one couldn't be happier, if i had lucked upon the fantasy
that i had in my mind before i fell in love i would be poorer
because of it. Thank god(dess) that i didn't and now have
something far far richer.
jboy
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Re: C: In praise of Dominant Women - totally their inferior in UK
From: "Christine" at u4ds.com
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:46:21 +0100
Hello jboy, femfan, and all,
jboy wrote of his smoking plan:
>grew to not fear and actually look forward to the caning.
>Perhaps i had an ulterior subconscious desire for the cane
>that i was unaware of and that was what drove me.
That is a danger.
I find what is needed to make a submissive like David enjoy such
a "game" at the same time as achieve my more serious goal, is a
plan that gives some milder "punishment" to keep him interested
and enjoying it, in addition to a "real punishment" for failure
to achieve a goal I wish to achieve.
When I've used similar strategies on David, if I really wanted
to change behaviour I had to escalate to the thick cane, and
increase the strokes to a level he genuinely could not endure.
Your partner might not be comfortable with going that far.
With regard to smoking, I think you would actually need to
desire to reduce (or quit) in order to work with the plan. If I
were applying this to David I would ensure he got a daily dose
of the thin canes and hand spanking as a warm up.
I'd probably start with something like ten of each every day, as
a "punishment" for smoking at all. It might be an increasing
dose for every week he continued to smoke to give him an
illusion of escalating "punishment" rather than letting him
think it is all just a way to play.
This would then be followed every day by the thick cane as an
additional punishment, (the real one), starting at one stroke
for every cigarette smoked in a 24 hour period.
My plan would further require a reduction of one cigarette every
day in the amount he smoked. Failure to achieve a reduction
would mean two strokes for every cigarette smoked.
Any increase in the amount smoked would escalate the thick cane
to 3 strokes per cigarette.
When, as we surely would, he got down to one cigarette a day.
Then I would need to decide whether the enjoyment he was getting
from that one cigarette, or indeed the enjoyment we were both
getting from the control ritual outweighed other considerations.
If our goal was smoking reduction then it would be hard to
reduce much further. Or indeed continue the ritual in the same
way. If the goal is quitting, we've then trapped ourselves into
a situation where the pleasure from the ritual of "pretending"
to punish with the light strokes disappears the moment he quits.
As I would have replaced one addiction (nicotine) with another
(punishment rituals), then before we ever got that far I would
need to have a plan in place which would ritualise daily milder
punishments and occasional more severe ones to achieve other
goals (or illusions of goals).
You wrote of your partner....
>she is fully enjoying the dominant role as well.
I'm so pleased to hear that and to read your impressive list of
things you've both achieved.
>you will find something that is, if not your fantasy right now,
>will become your fantasy in life that you can build on and grow
>with.
Well said. I couldn't have put it better.
And now to femfan, who started this thread....
regarding "In The Bank Manager's Cupboard. Twenty-six"
femfan wrote:
>As places to end a chapter go, that was just mean!
Thank you, I do try ;-)
>please, tell me your story and description of his humiliation
>beneath her with that gag doesn't end there!
No, it doesn't end, the suffering continues in part "twenty-
seven". Some things do come to he who waits :-)
>I love that everything I've fantasised about, you've done for
>real
Everything? I doubt that. But I've certainly done quite a bit
including having my David wear the face mask fitted with the
dildo gag while I enjoyed using it/him.
I enjoyed much of the rest of your post, so excuse me if I only
pick out an obvious area of deviance. :-)
>you ask whether I would be as happy if it were all about her
>rather than my fantasies
That was not quite the thrust of my question. I'm not in favour
of the idea that a relationship can be all about one partner. My
question was more directed to the idea that the fantasists in
relationships (of either sex) may need to compromise and create
new fantasies or adapt old ones so that they work better for
both parties.
>doing exactly what she wants, whenever she wants, indulging
>herself and exerting an absolute power over me with no regard
>to my feelings or desires - that is the element that elevates
>her to her all powerful position in the relationship.
Yes, that is one of the elements that is so exciting in fantasy
for some people, like my David and clearly yourself.
However.....
What may happen is that you'll adapt that for reality, either
because she doesn't want to be "all powerful" and have "no
regard" for you, or that you find yourself attracted to a
different person. Your future partner may actually want to have
both a high regard for you, and simultaneously have a high
regard for her own needs.
When you open up to a potential partner, as one day you must,
and tell her what you fantasise about, you may just scare off
your ideal partner if you offer her "absolute power". She may
only want a mutually agreed amount of power.
In such circumstances it is enjoyable to women like me to take
the role of one who has such absolute power, when I'm safe in
the knowledge that it is really a mutually agreed and mutually
agreeable power.
sincerely,
Christine
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S: In The Bank Manager's Cupboard. Part Twenty-seven
From: "Christine" at u4ds.com
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:57:21 +0100
Previous issues.
In The Bank Manager's Cupboard - by Ms. Christine
Copyright 1986-2009 Christine and David Stevenson
Part Twenty-seven
David dejectedly climbed on the bed as Karin grinned at
his frustration. He was beginning to realise the
lengths she would go to, to keep him in this permanent
state of frustration.
His hopes rose again when Karin climbed astride his
hips and started to writhe her vulva against his penis.
Perhaps after all she had only been teasing.
One hand massaging her breast, the other stimulating
her clitoris, she was warming up quickly. After all
this had been in the back of her mind all day, and
especially over dinner at Christine's.
When David started to moan with pleasure Karin moved
back and slapped his penis. "See what I mean, thinking
of your own lustful desires again." She reached for a
ruler on the bedside table and slapped his prick with
it, stopping only when it was red raw. Karin now found
David's moans much more exciting to listen to!
All the perfect ingredients for Karin's pleasure and
excitement were now there. Male humiliation and
degradation, frustration, pain. These were her
pleasures!
Karin moved up, placing her clitoral area over David's
eyes. The dildo resting between her buttock cheeks. Her
fingers moving in a blur as she stimulated herself, she
teased, "Two peepholes for you to peek through, Creep."
As she neared her first peak, she moved back a little
and lowered herself onto David's 'new penis'. Moaning
in ecstasy, her first orgasm followed almost
immediately. Her second was a long time coming,
primarily because Karin was enjoying delaying it.
She had converted a man's face into an object to be
used for her pleasure. The concept was as
psychologically stimulating as it was physically. She
had managed to turn intercourse into an act of cruelty.
In the very act of taking pleasure she could
simultaneously indulge in such glorious wickedness. She
rode her new 'toy', bouncing up and down, subjecting
the face below her to a pounding. For her third orgasm
she leaned forward, using David's nose as a clitoral
stimulator, she writhed upon his face, keeping the
dildo deep within her.
The thoughts and feelings that passed through David's
mind as he lay there watching her through his two
eyeholes, defy description. He was passively indulging
in intercourse in a way that would have been beyond his
wildest imaginings only days before. Yet no physical
pleasure was given to him. Every man's dream, a woman
riding him passionately, had been perverted by her. The
intensely erotic sensation of watching a woman
vigorously writhing in intercourse now distorted. The
pleasure of knowing that you were giving her such
ecstasy, had been transmuted into a grotesque mockery.
The indignity was amplified by the excitement he felt
while being used in this way. The intense arousal
caused by watching her take her pleasure.
Karin eventually collapsed and fell off of David. She
reclined on the bed, ordering, "Undress me, Prickface."
Her joke caused a giggling fit as she watched David
attend to her, with his second prick waggling
ridiculously in front of his face. When he had
finished, Karin, still giggling, repeated the joke, "Go
to bed now Prickface. Wash the useful prick in warm
soapy water, douse the other one in cold water."
The lock clicked behind David as he entered his room.
Karin set the video to record before she fell asleep
leaving David's light on. Satiated, and too tired to
play any more games she resolved to check on David's
behaviour in the morning. Now that these video
recorders had fast scan modes, it would be easy to see
if he had misbehaved during the night. It would take
but a few moments to check. It was ironic to think that
such 'man made' technology could be so gainfully
employed.
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U: Kinky Kollege - Beyond The Edge - October 2009
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:50:18 -0500
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