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C: Chastity Question, Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:43:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: slaveboy

We've been into chastity for about nine years now, but not the
continuous chastity that I am now "enrolled" in. I've never
considered the act of "milking" to be necessary because it
always seems that cum finds its way out on it's own via wet
dreams, spontaneous orgasms etc. I've been doing some reading
and I've read that eventually the build-up of cum overflows into
the bladder and gets released during urination.

I received apparent confirmation when I noticed once as I was
urinating that my 'pee' was thick and appeared to be mostly cum.
I touched that last drop and it was definitely thicker than pee.
It didn't feel any different than a normal urination and there
was no orgasm involved or anything remotely associated with an
orgasm. If I hadn't looked I wouldn't be asking this question.
That was a one time event and hasn't occurred again (to my
knowledge).

I was wondering if anyone can confirm that this is the case.
Super A, waddya say... you are an expert on longer term
chastity. Is that your understanding?

Has anyone else experienced this?

If so, milking is just another urban myth or wive's tale that so
many people just accept as true. I've personally never found it
to be necessary. About three weeks seems to be my personal,
physical limit where things find a way to resolve themselves and
one way or another the fluid finds it's way out. Thanks for any
input.

sb

p.s. Today is 12 weeks. Next week marks 1/4 of a year. I'm not
sure whether that makes me happy or sad.

p.p.s. Thank You Ms Christine and David for this excellent
forum. I've been remiss for not mentioning it before. You two do
an amazing job of providing a really class act with D/s
discussions and related topics. Thanks again!

please visit www.chastity heaven for the finest custom made
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Re: C: Fem Dom games and contests couples and bdsm groups
From: "James"
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:09:17 -0400

kink marshall wrote:

>in the mid eighties, there was a Mistress Nathalie, I believe
>was her name..., who published a 300 page or so Slave handbook

Natalia! Of The Rubber Whores fame?

I was wondering if anyone has heard of her or could shed some
light..

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Re: C: Fem Dom games and contests couples and bdsm groups
Date: 29 Aug 2009 23:37:53 -0000
From: awanker2

kink marshall wrote:

>I believe they were from Michigan or Wisconsin. Does anyone
>remember this publication

Mistress Natalie was from Michigan. Her book is great.

She liked to hold cum races at her parties. One involved each
male kneeling in a row with a saucer between their knees. When
instructed they were to stroke to orgasm. After all had cum they
were required to eat their cum, and the winner was rewarded, and
losers punished. Another required each male to jack off one at a
time into the same container. Each was timed and the loser
required to consume all cum. She liked to do several races in
the course of a party.

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Re: C: Fem Dom games and contests couples and bdsm groups
Date: 3 Sep 2009 20:59:01 -0000
From: kinkmarshall

Christine wrote:

>imagine the frustration of the one who thinks he is "coming"
>second if, just as his ejaculation started to boil over, he is
>told to "let go". (men do seem to hate having to let go at that
>critical moment :-)

Christine..., I love the way your mind thinks.., taunting and
frustrating the slaves within the contest.

I have never touched another mans cock.., nor do I have any
desire to. But to be forced to masturbate another slave, while
he masturbates me in the same kind of contest would be an
ultimate demeaning of my man character, but for which as a slut
slave I would have no control over.

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Re: C: collared DOMestic old timer AtcherServis
From: PapaHertz
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:37:36 EDT

Christine wrote:

>I would address you by name, but it's hard to communicate with
>a man with so many names. :-) Which of your own multiple names
>is your preferred "moniker"?

Thank you, Ms Christine:

I am a DOMestic member as PapaHertz [sorry I commented about a
change of name; I saw it in print as 'domestic' (lower case)
once or twice; glad to know it was a misprint].

I am also known far and wide, mostly 'wide' I'm sad to say, in
these parts [SoCal from Ventura to the Mexico border] as
PapaHertz. Indeed, online once asked if I charged less to rent
midweek, just like the car rental companies do. I then had the
temerity to say, "yes, my prices are very reasonable midweek."

Later I actually met the lady, husband in tow, at a then popular
dungeon just south of Hollywood, in LA. She did not seek to rent
me; I was uncollared at the time anyway, but I was thoroughly
intimidated when I saw her later in the evening walking
commandingly around the dungeon, a large, VERY large strapon
strapped firmly to her hips. [I almost said 'ample' in
description of the lady's midsection, but my luck, my current
owner would likely meet the lady at a party next week, and offer
me to her (Wishful thinking? NOT!)]

>Congratulations! May I be nosey and enquire whether you are
>now living as a couple? Don't feel obliged to respond, just my
>curiosity.

No, Ms Christine, it is devoutly to be wished! I do have a
"Queendom" set up for her in a small townhouse I own, here in
SoCal, which she visits twice a week. We are presently
negotiating for her to also take me to a local dungeon weekly so
she can practice her prodomme skills with me as a client.

Mistress is planning to 'go pro' starting with the New Year, and
though she successfully prodommed a couple of 'clients'
previously, she wants to be very proficient before advertising
her services now. We discussed that she not only takes liberties
with me much more than she would with a 'client', but also I've
proven, to her, so much more truly, an obedient 'slave' now than
I was during our first attempts to 'couple,' she has a hard time
assuming an angry demeanor, or a demeaning ownership posture, so
much sought by paying clients of prodommes, I have found.

Please don't envision the wrong thing from that word: 'couple.'
It signifies solely her command over me, treating my body as her
property, to be 'coupled' only in such ways as she desires,
(think clothespins to my nips and privates) and only if or when
she desires.

I should add I am a 'true' switch; proud I am able to be a
quality servant in Mistress's eyes after having owned a femme
slave of my own for almost three years, in the same quarters in
my home.

>you had trouble finding the correct address before (back in
>2003) when you tried to use DOMestic dot com to find us. That
>is a bank and has never been our domain, unfortunately.
>Perhaps you were making the same mistake this time?

No, Ms Christine, my computer skills have increased almost as
much as my submissive skills in the interim. This time I merely
copied your addie from one of your digests.

That said, both Mistress and I have pondered how to get the
appropriate Portuguese currency, or Eurodollars, to subscribe,
moreover to support, your endeavors, which worked before to
bring Mistress and I together. Please let us know. It seems to
me I had to get a U.S. Postal Money Order in equivalent dollars
plus affix correct U.S, postage to mail money to your mail
address in Portugal last time I subscribed.

I'd be honored to again subscribe, and as always, show
appreciation for your many personal replies, questions, and
comments to all of us who give tribute to your wonderful
endeavors.

>So perhaps a scorpio too?

Quite correct, Ms Christine. In fact, in my youth, I often
invited young ladies to 'feel' my sting, rhetorically of course
[NOT!] Needless to say I had a less than desired affirmative
response from the ladies of the day :-(

>Glad to hear that life is treating you so well. Do we have any
>bdsm'ers in SoCal who were born before November 1930 I wonder?

Thank you so much Ms Christine for posing that question. I've
often wondered if I am really the oldest practitioner in this
area but never had a proper forum to find out.

Until I hear from you again, Ms Christine, I remain

Your humble servant, Papa Hertz aka s.a.m.

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Re: C: collared DOMestic old timer AtcherServis
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:24:00 +0100
From: "Christine" at u4ds.com

Hello PapaHertz,

you wrote:

>I saw it in print as 'domestic' (lower case) once or twice;
>glad to know it was a misprint]

Not so much a misprint as an irritant on the Yahoogroups
version. On Topica we show as DOMestic. But with Yahoogroups we
could not have anything but lower case names when the group was
formed. It may have changed since and I have now managed to
change the subject line of the digest message to keep an old
timer happy. But if you visit the Yahoogroups site we still show
there in lower case.

DOMestic is delivered by multiple methods, and Yahoogroups is
just one of many.

>both Mistress and I have pondered how to get the appropriate
>Portuguese currency, or Eurodollars, to subscribe, moreover to
>support, your endeavors

As long as your card is not a Mastercard, it's much simpler to
use any other major card to support us, and it's all in US
currency at:-

http://www.mschristine.com/domsub4.shtml#card

We accept lots of cards, but Mastercard, like PayPal are unfair
to folk outside of the USA.

It is against Paypal rules for non USA based merchants to use
their systems for adult material of any kind. (see Paypal rules)

I quote from the first paragraph:-

"PayPal also currently does not allow transactions for any
sexually oriented physical or digital goods by non-U.S.
residents."

end quote.

Currently Mastercard in Europe are not processing for what they
define as "adult internet merchants" - although some businesses
are using non internet accounts to get adult orders processed,
they will be in breach of the rules and we do not wish to take
the risk of breaching Mastercard rules on this.

If you don't have a card we can take, then we can of course
accept your cheque by normal postal mail. (or cash only by
registered mail if you prefer)

So you can just send a personal cheque in US currency to...

Christine Stevenson,
Apartado 468
2504-914 Caldas da Rainha
Portugal

>It seems to me I had to get a U.S. Postal Money Order in
>equivalent dollars plus affix correct U.S, postage to mail
>money to your mail address in Portugal last time I subscribed.

As our prices have always been quoted in US currency it's only
folk elsewhere who need an "equivalent" (link provided on the
web) and as we've always accepted US personal cheques or cash,
you must have been over complicating matters needlessly. But
yes, if you can't use a card then it does require you to lick a
stamp (60 cents I think?) and stick it on an envelope with a
check inside.

>I'd be honored to again subscribe

We'd be equally honoured if you wish to support us.

>I've often wondered if I am really the oldest practitioner in
>this area but never had a proper forum to find out.

Folk are welcome to post to this thread and give their age and
location if they want to claim the title of the oldest bdsm'er
in any location. Aliases are accepted on the blog, and no email
addresses are displayed.

sincerely,
Christine at u4ds.com

The DOMestic discussion list. Now in our thirteenth year. The
password site now has over 6,700 files with well over 400
stories, plus pictures, and hundreds of articles. $26.99 for a
one year password. $16.99 for six months at

http://www.mschristine.com/domsub4.shtml#card

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U: John and Lisa - The Gathering/Dark Party Houston
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 19:34:00 -0000
From: "johndockerhstn"

Hello,

John and Lisa Shannen, hosts of The Gathering/Dark Party a
BDSM/swinger social mixer/play evening.

We look forward to following your posts. This looks like a fun
group.

John and Lisa Shannen
www.johndocker.com

"Scars are tattoos with better stories"~JohnDocker

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C: Mistress and her maid - parts five and six
From: sissy maid wendy
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:54:26 +0000

Mistress and her maid - part five
First part is at:- Wonderful visit - Mistress and her maid

The maid had been directed not to relieve herself during
masturbation from the Monday to the Wednesday when she would
next be before her owner. Madam had decided her maid would be
milked on her next visit, it was expected to be a full half day
of service with milking mid afternoon and then time spent still
as a maid before leaving.

The maid was to be trained to be a sissy to ladies post orgasm.
Madam had determined her maid would have wider use when on loan
to mature ladies if the maid could be trained to continue in
service after an orgasm, this would allow for continuing
housework, companionship or even additional sexual use and in
particular, oral services.

Madam changed the usual schedule for the day with the maid being
required to arrive in Madam's suburb and wait for reporting
until summoned by sms message.

The maid was summoned and reported as her owner stepped from her
car and walked to the front gate. The maid quickly opened the
gate and front door of Madam's home, dropping to her owner's
feet to kiss her shoes as sign of submission and then kneeling
to kiss the location of Madam's trouser covered pussy as a sign
of respect. The three step procedure had been used for many
years to greet her owner when they were alone.

The maid followed the Mistress to the lounge, poured his owner a
glass of red wine, lit her cigarette and then whilst his owner
rested, the sissy maid went off and started the cleaning of the
dungeons and vacuuming the hallway.

As part of the maid's dungeon work she removed all the toys from
the corner shelves, and cleaned each one of the anal toys,
vibrators, eggs, large and small. The maid also found an
attachment electrically powered that fitted around a cock to
vibrate and enhance the feel of excitement. She cleaned them
all, placed them on the shelves, located a number of strap-on
harnesses, including her owners which received an extra special
cleaning. It was his owners to use on her sissy as she wanted
to.

The maid quickly completed the cleaning of both dungeons and
vacuumed the hall. Before dressing in the maid's winter uniform
including suspenders, stockings, slips, camisole and blouse,
with high heels, make up and wig, but as always no panties.. the
maid was vulnerable at all times.

After spending time chatting to Madam and the household it was
inspection time for Madam, including of her sissy maid's clit,
and to read the report from the last visit. As Madam sat on the
high chair sipping her wine, her maid was as always required to
raise her skirt and display her Mistress' property - which had
not been emptied for many days.

The maid was now ordered to masturbate so her owner could make
sure the clit was functioning, erect and capable of use by
ladies in any way they might want. As the maid sat and stroked
her now large clit, Madam ordered the sissy to place the cock
clip vibrator around her sissy's now large and erect clit, but
to also after a while place a condom on the sissy clit. Madam
would use the remote control to increase the maid's erection as
the sissy masturbated.

Today the sissy was to milk in front of his owner on command.
After some twenty minutes of masturbation, her owner was
enjoying the sight of the sissy clit she now owned being milked.

On command the maid orgasmed. filling the condom, much to her
owner's smiles and pleasure to see so much cum from a large and
owned sissy clit.

After the sissy had cum, her owner continued to use the
vibrating control on her maid.

Unfortunately it was time for the sissy to now leave. The sissy
thanked her Mistress, changed and left to wait until she was
summoned again.

Had the maid not run out of time the maid was now certain that
with either a little restraint after the orgasm, and some short
companionship, the maid could have walked back into the
household with the condom still in place and in uniform for some
relaxation time for half an hour or more.

Perhaps having Madam later remove, or cut the tip of the condom,
to remove the contents, placing the liquid in her hand to be
placed drop by drop via her fingers on the nipples of her
breasts for her maid to lick clean.

This would be a special occasion and one that should be special
with special memories of the first time the maid would drink her
cum from her Mistress. It would also be fitting, as the maid's
cum, including every drop, was now owned by her Mistress. This
would be a treat for a serving period of a few hours to ensure
the maid, post cum, was interested in moving onwards.

A little bit of time in uniform between cumming and licking the
liquid milk from the tip of her Mistress' nipples, drop by drop,
would be a very found memory for the Mistress.

The droplets would serve as both a reminder of the sissy's need
to drink cum when required, but with the symbol of drinking it
from her Mistress' breast showing the power of a woman's breast
and how they are used to train sissies and nurture males and
females - the symbol of submission of drinking cum with the
symbol of a Mistress' milk.

Mistress and her maid - part six

(posted Fri, 4 Sep 2009 01:42:05 +0000)

Lunch

The maid arrived at 12 noon as directed with lunch of a roast
chicken, salad and two bottles of red wine

Today she would be serving not only her owner Mistress Ayla, but
also Mistress Genevieve (Mistress Genevieve, had full use of the
sissy maid when she wanted and was also custodian of the maid
when Mistress Ayala was away).

maid wendy on arrival sat next to her owner for the last-minute
instructions for the day - before heading off to change into the
sissy's maid uniform that was tailor made by Mistress Genevieve.
It was a short skirt, with an additional section to the uniform
that was a bit like a pinafore, stitched to the dress, with all
the edges of the pinny and skirt edged in white lace.

Today the maid also wore dark blue bra, a white satin camisole
and sheer white blouse, and three slips, two of white and one of
pink, the dress crossed over the back so the underwear was clear
to all in the house. Underneath the maid wore a white suspender
belt with dark black stockings and high heel black shoes....

The maid as always wore no panties, but remembered to tie a long
(possibly two meter) length of lace around the base of her sissy
penis/clit before lacing and tying the ribbon around the shaft.
This as a reminder of her place in the house and sign that her
penis/clit was now owned by her Mistress.

As the maid finished dressing, he could hear from the adjoining
room her Mistress and owner chatting to Mistress Genevieve as
she arrived, he could hear her Mistress telling the Mistress
Genevieve that her sissy maid was changing and would be with
them soon.. the maid finished dressing, put her long blonde wig
on, and went to the lounge to greet Madam and her visitor.

After greeting the ladies, the maid went to pour the tea and
coffee for them - but as luck would have it the kettle had not
boiled so when she served the tea and coffee it was cold. Both
Mistresses frowned on this with Mistress Genevieve noting it as
unacceptable and punishment would be handed out later for this
mistake. The maid then made the tea and coffee, poured the wine
for the ladies, and then went to prepare and serve lunch.

Lunch was served in the second dungeon with the maid seating the
Mistresses, serving their meals and pouring their wine. The
ladies were left on their own to chat and await additional
service from the maid.

After lunch was served the maid was summoned to the ladies
dining table to give both of them a foot massage, starting with
Mistress Genevieve. The maid then knelt before her owner
Mistress Ayla for lengthy foot massage and tongue worship of
each toe, and taking her time to suck for an extended period on
Madam's large toes like they were a penis, all the time looking
up at her owner as she smoked cigarettes and sipped her wine.

After the maid had finished her sissy duties, she assumed the
usual position over Madam Ayla's knees, the maid raised her
skirt to allow her sissy clit to find its usual place of being
gripped between her owners leather clad legs. Madam raised the
sissy maids skirts for a sound spanking, to remind the sissy
maid of her place in the household, to show the guests in the
neighbouring room who would be able to clearly hear the
spanking, so that they would also know who owned and controlled
the sissy maid.

A sound spanking of 304 slaps of Madam Ayla's hand warmed up the
sissy's bottom before the maid fell to the floor and kissed her
owner's feet, both of them, before raising herself to her sissy
knees and kissing his owner's leather trousers on the patch that
held Madam's womanly essence, through only the thickness of
Madam's panties and the leather thickness of Madam's trousers.
But this was a very, very long way from any possibility of
sight, or the maid's tongue.

After the maid's owner left the room, the sissy maid finished
cleaning the luncheon items away and returning the room to its
order....

Upon returning to the lounge the sissy sat on the sofa next to
her owner after first facing the humiliation of standing in the
middle of the room and raising her skirts in full view of the
household to display her reddened bottom.

After a discussion, Mistress Genevieve had a new whip she wanted
to try out, and what better place than on the sissy maid who had
served her cold coffee earlier in the day.

Mistress Genevieve directed the sissy back to the dungeons,
allowing the sissy to pick which room she would be caned in. The
sissy chose the front dungeon, being the furthest from the
household members, so she could scream or whimper for the
enjoyment of Mistress Genevieve. The maid was directed to the
bench, ordered to bend over the bench and raise her skirts
revealing her naked and very pink bottom.

Mistress Genevieve asked the sissy how many strokes she should
receive, the sissy for the first time with Mistress Genevieve
thanked the Mistress and asked the Mistress to make the decision
and the sissy would accept what Mistress thought appropriate.

The sissy was then whipped with four strokes of the new whip,
which was not flexible like a cane so it almost felt like a
solid piece of timber hitting the maid with a thud. It hurt and
the maid whimpered, asking the mistress for mercy and promising
not to let it happen again, but it was too late. Mistress
Genevieve was determined the sissy would be punished. After
those four strokes, Mistress Genevieve put down the whip and
took a flexible cane from the rack in the dungeon to give the
sissy another three stokes so she would remember her place.

After Mistress Genevieve had finished, the maid immediately fell
to the floor to kiss the Mistress' feet, to grovel and thank the
Mistress for her guidance.

The maid was then led back to the lounge and again in front of
the household displayed her reddened and now striped bottom.

The maid returned to the seat next to her owner, before walking
to the front gate and assisting Mistress Genevieve as she left.
The maid thanked the Mistress as the gate closed.

The sissy maid now returned to her owner to be instructed to
check the dungeons as her owner would be there for inspection
soon...

Madam entered the dungeon, inspected her property, checking the
maid's shaven sissy clit and sissy pussy. Madam checked the
maid's work in cleaning the dungeon but the maid's owner had
decided more with the cane was necessary. The maid was to
receive her second caning for the day.

The sissy was directed to the bench for second time today, but
before her owner selected the cane, her Mistress raised the
sissy's skirts as she was bent over the bench. With Madam
grabbing the maid's hips with both hands and holding the sissy
to her leather trousers Madam simulated a fucking of the sissy's
tight male pussy.

As the maid leaned over the bench looking to her right she saw
the Madam's harness and dildo, knowing that Madam was reminding
the sissy, her slave, what she is capable of and how it would be
very soon when Madam would exert her rights to her sissy's tight
pussy.

After this Madam then selected a cane from the rack and stood in
position to cane her sissy's bottom. The cane swished through
the air and struck the maid's bottom on four occasions, after
each the sissy's legs buckled as the cane did hurt, but the maid
straightened her legs up and raised her sissy bottom to receive
each of the remaining strokes from her owner.

Today the maid was dismissed without milking and without any
soft treatment. It was a very hard day for the maid with little
rest and leaving with her sissy ribbon covered balls so full was
very tough on her. She also had been left with no permission to
cum, except when she would be allowed vanilla sex the following
week.

Could she hold that long? An additional seven days on top of the
four she had already held back for.

The sissy maid left her owner's home a little disappointed that
her sissy clit was still full but knowing her Mistress was
pleased with her performance as the household sissy and personal
maid to Madam Ayla

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